I recently saw that the Audiffex Pedals pack posted on Audioz contained a power amp pedal,
which is pretty interesting since most free amp models only recreate the preamp section of the amp.

I know that when using IRs, a "smidgen" of the poweramp is somewhat captured but that's
not really it....it's "static", like a still picture of it and also too subtle compared to the real thing

so first, are there VSTis (free or not) recreating the poweramp section of an amp (whatever the amp)?

I understand that recreating a poweramp section is actually quite difficult, but regarless
of whether it's good modelling, my question is to know whether there actually anything like it (besides that pedals pack)?
(yes I repeat myself but some people need to read it twice! LOL ) I couldnt find anything...

thank you for your input.

PS: no need to talk boll##ks about TH2, Amplitube and the likes...that's not the point!

 

You mean like a mic'd amp? Kazrog is a dedicated program just to that, but I imagine that it probably works off static IRs... maybe not? Anyway, if you haven't ever tried Kazrog Recabinet, that might be what you're looking for, I really use it a lot on my guitar and bass stuff.

 

PS: no need to talk boll##ks about TH2, Amplitube and the likes...that's not the point!
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Dude !!
You´ve said it all !!!

And just because I was taking your questions seriously before..;
Go and check ; http://www.guitarampmodeling.com/
And check nebula... (is very good, not an amp though).
Now not anymore..., so..;
Go and play chess with other peeps....

 

do you really think I dont know these websites already???

learn how to read and stop freeposting please .... its frigging annoying (dont even know why I take the time to answer you..aint got anything to do this morning I guess!)

and you go back to play with your dolls joker...for your culture and knowledge, toys like the AxeFX already offer poweramp modelling, also in revalver ..or amplitube to some extent...but I guess it's not an option yet when it comes to VSTis to get the poweramp alone...at any rate, if someone knows, that's my question/what I want to know

 

no, not like in a mic'ed amp, I mean just the POWERAMP...a guitar amp is made up of a preamp + a poweramp + a cab


free VSTis modelling amps are only preamps (except of course when you get the whole thing... like in some plug ins by lepou, TH2, amplitube, revalver ect ect..)

 

Hey amateur (lysergyk) !
Be precise, please ?
You have no clue, to whom you´re talking to , do you ?
Which is good...
I'll recognize you in a million.

I was trying to be of some help, by the way.
Any good musicians in Shanghai ??

 

yep sure, im an amateur..and what? you're the friggin god of pro axemen..right??!
wow...what a blast, I'm not worthy to read your divine words!

...a vsti modelling a poweramp section ..what else do you need, a picture? honestly
...and indeed I aint got no clue about who you are...but does it really matter...
you sound so smug and self-important! and you do you even know who I am matey?!

yep, quite a few musician in shanghai...amateurs ofc...no smart cookie like you...
so to quench my thirst for novelty, how about you use your "science" and find me some nice vsti
modelling a poweramp section?? *yes*

 

what you say doesnt work AT ALL for guitar amplifiers...power amps DO have an influence on the sound...and also there are different ways to use a poweramp depending on you amp (power supply, triode, pentode etc...)...a power amp let you adjust presence, and also damping, treble or bass settings nowadays.

just buy a guitar tube amp and change the tubes and you'll see or rather hear ..and though it's true that it can sometimes be subtle, I wouldn't make a general rule of that as you do it here, this is no HiFi stereo!...have you ever heard of what is often referred to as the British or American tone??!...well FYI power tubes are different..British means EL34 or EL84 ..while American is more likely to be 6L6...there are other types of tubes that may be used but these are the most common. Besides because tubes have different size and characteristics they do not sound the same...for example EL34 usually break in earlier than 6550/KT88 (also used sometimes in Marshall amps, like in a 2203) ...

anyway, that doesnt answer my question...and I already know that I will probably not find any power amp modelled and available as VSTi (or VST if you prefer...who cares!?)
again I come here to try and save some time ...but again no useful answer..thanks anyway

 

VST stands for Virtual Studio Technology, the VSTi is a VST instrument ;)

Sorry, but I don't see any power amp vst out there...
The closest thing I got is this, where you can turn off the cabinet

 

I know, I know and it was invented by Steinberg in 1996...but do I care?....no I dont!
so instead of being wikipedia fanboys with nothing to say ...stop your free posting and post something useful for a change ... *no*

EDIT: I see you added one line to your post! *yes*
thank you very much for your help, I'm going to check this out!

well..afetr a closer look, that's not it...but thanks whatsoever

 

yes I have experience and play well, mind you...that's the correct terminology and ofc I'm talking about a GUITAR POWERAMP what does the following sugget to you? "most free amp models only recreate the preamp section of the amp" ..lepou, IRs, TH2, Amplitube and the likes...what do you think I'm taking about? audiophile power amps? honestly ...are you serious?!

as for whether a small preamp is built into the power amp...I doubt it but maybe, I'll ask to know if it's actually the case..it's called a poweramp whatsoever..

again ...ditto ...what's your point?....for a so-called "pro" failing to understand (as it's plain obvious and clearly written!) that I'm talking about a GUITAR amp speaks volume...besides even a GUITAR amp producing a clean tone is benefiting from power tube distortion...harmonics..ever heard about that?...listen to a fender GUITAR amp if not

lepou's plug ins only model the preamp section of the amp and most dont offer any way to change tubes ...anyway...what did you want to prove with your "simulations arent the real thing"??...that you dont have an inkling of what i'm looking for ...then it's done! mixed in a track you wouldnt be able to distinguish a good model from the real thing...

 

I came here to ask for help/if people knew something about poweramp modelling...and what have I been told? that I cant be taken seriously and that I should go play chess! how useful....so who's not being civil here??...whatever..this is the internet...smartypants behind their screens

then i'm sorry ?? come again please! "one hardware guitar amp that has no preamp" what are you talking about????
please be precise you probably mean a hardware guitar amp that has no preamp section and no speaker then...isnt this a pro audio forum you said...no comments

and thats exactly why it's difficult to model a poweramp section...but difficult doesn't mean impossible...it's been done already..and dont really get why only few developers offer that kind of things

thanks for that, but a poweramp is something different from a tube emulation...

I'm not ranting about it. Sorry that it seems so, I'm just tired of reading comments that are irrelevant and just criticize the terminology or the point of my post...nobody is forcing anyone here to answer, so when people have nothing useful to say they should just learn to STFU. *yes*
how many posts to answer my question? how many useful ones?...one from a guy thinking he's a studio god and telling me to go play chess..a wikipedia fanboy, and one last one to tell me we say a guitar poweramp, not just a poweramp (which is obvious!) ..because its a pro audio forum ...that's very sad indeed but fortunately it cracks me up

man that's utterly ridiculous! youmust have been working on planet Mars then or in a cave in another day and age! How does a guitar player do when using a rack!????
he buys different preamps and different poweramps and uses them together in various combinations! that's the whole point!

I cant believe that in your studio you've never seen or used that????...I did...
http://www.thomann.de/gb/mesa_boogie_recto_2_one_hundred_b_stock.htm
http://www.thomann.de/gb/mesa_boogie_90-90.htm

now I see that I'm n the wrong place for these questions...obviously...I should have known better...anyway I guess I'll take your advice and contact developpers because what i'm looking for is indeed not yet available *yes*

CASE CLOSED.

 

Obviously.... what's with the attitude man? Definitely the wrong place for it...

 

then post something useful ...if there is nothing like what I'm asking for ..then there is no answer and nothing should be posted...this isnt a chat pal...anything useful to add or...? how about you share how you're gonna spend your weekend with us? might bring some life into my post

 

so to come back to the assertion of Burningstar that there is built in preamp section in the poweramp...well ..as I thought there is not.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/fryette-two-fifty-two-g2502s-50wx2-tube-guitar-power-amp

here is another GUITAR POWER AMPLIFIER....and everything comes from the poweramp itself. cheers!

 

Sorry I was wrong, Most of my experience was a very long time ago. I am out of touch with modern guitarist rigs. Thanks for schooling me. Sorry I wasted your time.

 

no schooling here mate, and also you dont waste my time!
I kept asking the question here and here and what you say is not wrong either but it's
not a rule, some poweramps do have a built in preamp indeed *yes*

anyway...all this is rather far from the original question...a vst modelling a guitar power amplifier.

 

Maybe here ?
It´s a forum..
A bit old, but if you´re still looking for something like this..
Good luck buddy !

http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/andy-sneap/518046-poweramp-vsts.html

 

Hi,

I'm not a guitarist, but i like to use MAGIX VANDAL when i work with guitars.
For me, kick ass amplitube, th2 and others. *yes*

VANDAL Technology
VANDAL Info

I find these:
http://www.guitarampmodeling.com/

PS: on Peavey Revalver you can edit valves and other stuff