Given that the rules only apply to some people what's even the point of trying to come up with new rules?

 

This is actually similar to a ton of posts/groups on Facebook:
It's starting to show that ChatGPT is behind many of them and it doesn't seem like we can do anything.

 

I think the more important question is if you'd care if you would not know. I have clearly proven (Post No. 2) that they do not care if they do not know. So how shall this matter?

As far as I can see, people have a very big problem with this specific tool because they have very big difficulties to critically think about the received informations - which you have to. It is about the same argument as some other people create if they say that it matters where your information is actually coming from. So to them it matters less what the information really is.

They can not really relate to a specific person anymore to get an emotional reaction on which they can create a one way discussion because they recognize that their discussion partner does not care at all.

You can not judge the ai for the informations it's giving you, you can only judge the unknown people providing this information online and the creator of the question. Pretty odd situation for most people.

Indeed it's more nice and simple at first to just gossip with an irrationally thinking person.

 

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I actually did have similar discussion in multiple enterprise/media companies, and the conclusion is not as easy once you think beyond surface,

AI hype is very successful at making, feeding and spreading illusion of intelligence by mimicking human-like means of communication (language, thinking, reasoning etc..) but no matter how hard tech sector tries, AI is still a non-deterministic complex statistic technology (go ahead and read that again, and do search what every of those words mean), there is no understanding, no credibility, no ethics, no values, no perception of real world (yet),

forum like this was made from humans for humans, the very sense of it is to provide a ground where people from all over the world discuss experiences and thoughts on various topics and other nonsense - in that regard, AI is a topic (which I previously requested as separate forum category, as it felt least harmful that time), not the replacement for a person who asks or a person who replies,

that said, AI output or input can be a (questionable) source of information or baseline for discussion, just as any other link, video, image etc...
but that discussion is performed by people,
so, question of spoiler notice or labels doesn't make much sense, because once you incorporate AI-made content into the discussion, it will inevitably manipulate your thinking, making specific quotes a peripheral element of an already biased statistical hallucinations,

my vote goes to "Yes. AI/GPT comments absolutely should require a spoiler notice with the source listed in the tag." but I'd like to emphasize the risk of it anyway, and I will personally avoid any such threads unless specifically discussing certain technology/workflows/tools/ideas

 

It's the real and true experience from humans that I want to learn from.

 

and THAT is the fatal flaw in thinking,
solving a problem or troubleshooting is a process, not a goal/task, and AI cannot do that by its design.

the way AI works on something like let's say "what's the answer for 2+2=?" it tells you 4 not because having any math knowledge or even knowing what you're asking, but just because of the probability of having that relation of strings/tokens aligned in its vector dataset at highest statistical probability - in a similar way you can ask such thing a 3 year old kid that can't do any math yet, but very likely heard 2+2=4 more often than any other sentence, so it literally repeats such most likely sentence from its memory,
therefore asking AI for any facts is another fatal flaw in misunderstanding of the whole AI technology as it is,

if someone asks "whats a good synth for pads?" at forums here, they expect a (biased) reply of an opinion, based on (ideally) long-term experience, with all the flaws and drawbacks explored, NOT a statistical sum/average of pros and cons based on device specs, units sold or aggregated online review ratings

 

ChatGPT allows you to get more information about someone in just a few seconds.

Who or what is tzzsmk and what posts does he or she write?

Spoiler: Source: ChatGPT KI

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Yes, purely AI-generated answers should definitely be hidden behind spoilers. I struggle to understand why some people here share AI-generated texts that often offer absolutely no value to anyone & don't even address the context of OPs question.
I have nothing against AI-generated content in general, but what is spread here in the forum is usually nothing more than SPAM.

 

and that's the another fun part,
AI/GPT can only provide information it was given and finetuned to give, which is the bias I mentioned previously,
so for ex. it didn't get anything about my profiles at various other sites that are gone by now or excluded/filtered from public AI/GPT datasets

 

aand there goes the philosophical question - if AI can actually do exactly that - foster community learning and help others to grow

 

Plagiarism, or referencing as it's more commonly known, has been around a long time.

Traditional referencing will take a bunch of sources and rewrite the material in such a way that the sources are obscured. Skillful plagiarism does require good knowledge of the subject in hand in order to obscure the source. Everybody does it to some extent; particularly academic writers and composers. In most cases plagiarism or referencing is used as a foundation to present original ideas. It could be reasonably argued that in this sense all knowledge is plagiarism, as it is all built on what went before. Academic papers, as standard, will use "open and honest" plagiarism via the use of referenced source material as supporting evidence for a theory. As composers, we're all still basically catching up on Bach, and as musicians we've all attempted to emulate our favourite players when we were young, via equipment choices, playing style or even directly learning/covering their material (not guilty to that last part). Sampling is plagiarism is it not?

There's certainly a huge difference between this type of plagiarism and direct copying of the cut and paste variety. If one were to paste a section of another author's writing without reference that would be considered direct plagiarism in the sense of theft, whereas referencing the source isn't, as credit has been duly acknowledged.

The difference with plagiarism and AI is that there isn't any original input from AI. By its very nature it's always just regurgitating references. It does not have its own agenda when presenting answers, it isn't attempting to argue a point or present its opinion, as it does not have one. There are obvious potential benefits to a system trained on "factual" information but one that's based on "internet" information...

I've noticed the last few years how in a basic search that there are endless pages of plagiarised (AI?) articles that all regurgitate a variation on the same text, more often saying absolutely nothing worth writing but sometimes plainly incorrect. It's particularly noticeable when you have knowledge of the subject, otherwise you'd be none the wiser. It used to be that doing a basic search would turn up several pages of decent articles in the first ten results, now your lucky to find anything at all.

Reason: Marketing.

Virtually every site out there these days is dedicated to one thing and one thing only - capital generation. The search engines are party to this as they're selling access to search results via ads or direct elevation fees.

In order to avoid this we now have to be way more specific by using boolean operators if we want to find reliable sources. Obviously, the more niche and specific a search is, the more likely useful results will appear. The results of searching for "room acoustics diffusion equation" will likely turn up 10 articles worth reading in the first ten results, whereas "bus compressor VST"... Well, be prepared to enter the world of 100% bullshit results generated purely for marketing purposes (that includes self-promotion of any kind), most likely written (plagiarised/AI generated) by someone with a nice photo and bio that states "Karen has a BA in combined computer science / audio-engineering / marketing, has been working full time as a toilet cleaner in McDonalds since graduating last year and enjoys writing about audio-technology in her spare time".

The point is that AI scraping the internet isn't differentiating between reliable source material and the bullshit results. I dare say that in highly technical questions the results would perhaps be quite accurate as there's not that many Karen's publishing technical pages for the AI to scrape but once we hit any subject dominated by a monetary agenda, then expect nothing but a dismal dirge.

My personal opposition to AI isn't necessarily about the results it gives - I truly wouldn't know as I've never actually used it (apart from once using an image gen a few weeks ago where I instructed it to create images of a certain president dressed as various religious icons ) but have obviously been subjected to it, both here and elsewhere.

Aside from the dumbing down of human intellectual functioning, my main objection is supporting the agenda being implemented by THE OWNERS of the technology. An agenda which is driven by the desire to funnel all activity through their systems to control and manipulate the public, making them entirely subservient to their direction. Their data harvesting isn't guided by a desire to gather knowledge into a system that can provide solutions on an empathic humanitarian basis, the sole purpose is to create ever more effective targeted marketing for profit generation. On that basis, accuracy of information isn't a factor. Bullshit sells quite well these days, one only needs to take a look around at 99% of the media and their "figureheads".

On here, I absolutely do not wish to read blocks of AI generated text.

Firstly, if you do not have knowledge of the subject then you are in no position to differentiate between an accurate AI account and an inaccurate one so are essentially adding to the bullshit. It's fair enough if someone uses the tools as a support to their knowledge (eg. using spectrum analysers), in that context it's the equivalent of referencing.

Secondly (perhaps this should really be firstly), this is a forum for human beings, not bots. I think our main purpose being here is actually socialisation. Although, there are lots of good snippets of information here and there, I don't think any of the knowledgeable users would argue that AS is the first port of call when wanting technical answers (warez questions excepting of course). What we do have here is a variety of characters, opinions and experiences that aren't replicated elsewhere. That is often more important than pure technical information as it can lead to critical thinking which is self-enabling. AI doesn't have a role to play in communication, apart from getting in the way of it that is.

EDIT: Seems there was a load of posts made since I started writing this which make some of the same points. Disclaimer: I absolutely did not plagiarise any of the prior posts. No AI was used in the manufacture of this post. Neither were any small furry mammals harmed in the editing of this post. If it was the 80s I'd probably add that no synthesizers were used in the production of this post but I think we're probably past that now.

 

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Exactly why a human post is interesting - I found something I didn't know of previously.

I did have something to say in response to that but I've already forgotten what it was...

100%

 

That's why I never use the same user name and profile pic on different sites and never link to any client of mine's work.




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First of all, @tzzsmk, you are one of the drivers of AI here in the forum.
You're bringing us all closer to AI through your AI posts.

Young people have Alexa at home and simply ask anything via voice control, and Alexa answers promptly.

We're in the middle of it... digitalization will inevitably increase, because data has been growing ever larger over the millennia, and humans are slow and expensive. AI programmers will bundle this data, catalog it, and make it available very quickly. In short, life will become faster and more effective.

Almost everything can be done from a home PC or smartphone. Banking via smartphone, shopping online. We've also gained time. I still call AI artificial stupidity. I believe that if used correctly, it contributes to enriching life; people who only live on the internet will probably continue to become stupider.

The cognitive abilities of some of our fellow human beings will decline. Some intelligent people will write guides on how to use AI without becoming stupid. The entertainment industry will distract and keep them all busy.

Is work and full employment perhaps a thing of the past?

 

Spoiler Tags are mandatory! If ChatB.S. is shown, we are immediately aware of two things: 1st the person who asks is lazy enough to search the web for an answer - 2nd the person who uses ChatB.S. to “help” the asking person.. knows nothing himself! I don’t like both persons. This is my opinion on the subject and ChatB.S. says “opinions are like @ssholes, everybody has one!”. So.. there you are LMAO

 

Respectfully, I'm inclined to disagree with this as a generalised statement. I think a lot of technological progress actually makes certain processes more convoluted and time-consuming by introducing additional complexities. If the statement was correct then we would all have an expanding abundance of free time available; this is clearly not the case. I agree that this is the way things SHOULD be, but unfortunately the motivations of the tech companies that are at play are far from charitable, particularly regarding AI, as the purpose is actually directed toward attention harvesting and behaviour control via continuous engagement, thereby reducing autonomy and time-availability.

 

I was referring to user behavior! They no longer need to go to the library, they have Wikipedia, they don't need to go to the hardware store, they have online ordering systems, etc. That's what I was referring to...!

Now to your statement, yes Haze, I completely agree, the tech companies with the financial capital of Wall Street and hedge funds, it's scary, they know everything about us and they exploit it mercilessly, they will keep going until they have reached every corner of the earth, they will collect and use all of our data and if we're unlucky we'll wake up in digital prison.

I hope that our legislators and consumer associations continue to make some rules to protect us, otherwise we're bits and bytes and can be seen through and controlled. Aladdin is the name of BlackRock's computer, if you want to know more, use your search engine.

 

because it's the lesser evil, it's like the choice of pill in Matrix...

well yes and no,
we're not in the middle, we've barely started,
nobody actually understands how this AI tech works, neither tech companies nor scientists,
faster life is not more effective life for humans,
we've gained time to waste on nonsense we don't care about like ads and various tech bloat instead of fostering real relationships or own skills,
almost everything can be done from a home PC or smartphone....assuming you have electricity and internet, which actually is a very fragile dependency that can collapse anytime, that increasingly less people are capable of maintaining and servicing,
I haven't yet found a nice term for AI, but something like pretentious illusion is imo best depiction as of today,
people that will use AI to deliver instant results will become numb due to lack of experiencing struggles of real challenges,
some intelligent people will have to talk with other people about things that matter (because written guides will drown in sea of AI slop),
entertainment industry will keep pushing ethical borders on what's acceptable for society and humanity (just as porn industry is still trying to break taboos all the time) while monetizing on people's lack of happiness,
once work and full employment is no longer the meaning of life, and that will inevitably become a real problem for more and more people - then in the world where it makes no sense to work (economically), unemployed people will be seen as burden for those that do and I don't even want to imagine the very dark outcomes of such shift in human values

 

According to the theory of some journalists, it will probably look like this:

Around 200 million are unemployed, the entertainment industry is working at full speed to prevent the revolution on the streets, after the introduction of the AI tax, a basic income will be paid by card from the AI tax, every unemployed person will receive a basic income from the central bank, the digital central bank money, which they don't have to spend within 30 days, otherwise it will disintegrate.

Of course, one could also organize things differently, by having experienced people teach other people something, keep their cities clean and look after the children, maybe even become sports teachers... but as so often [ "First things turn out differently and second things turn out differently than you think" ]

 

There is no point in arguing whether AI is a useful tool or not, because it is.
There is no reason to be against AI: it is not a passing trend, but is here to stay.

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