The issue is, is that not everyone knows how to prompt. Prompting is an art form in itself. You can ask the AI the same question in many different ways, and you can get equally as many answers. If somebody asks for help, and i can give them the answer by using chatgpt, who is hurt by that? Of course, personally, i would fact-check the answer before posting here. There are some here who just copy paste the answer when its indeed wrong, as well as being filled with yapping.

 

Here's some simple logic.
PEOPLE go to forums to communicate. If you want AI to do the communication then it is no longer a people forum. A teenager even gets that. If answering someone is the goal then you don't even need to go to a forum, just go straight to a search engine or the AI if you don't know the answer.
Answering someone with "What do you think?" then getting an AI to answer is not what they think it is a bullshit charlatan reply, because they are pretending the AI is what they think, or worse, they cannot think for themselves.

 

Imagine any of the user in this forum being a bot, imagine that you are the only human here, chatting with AI characters only. Imagine now that everyone on social platforms is actually AI: the whole show is created intentionally to manipulate you. This is not an invention of mine, there’s actually an interesting conspiracy theory stating that:

The dead Internet theory

Info:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Internet_theory

 

Constructing good search strings is one thing. Not knowing what to even ask is another. In 2025, most people have barely scratched the surface of what can even be done with stone-age tools like Google. Don't believe me? Pull up a copy of that Johnny Long Google book for penetration testers.

If I want a conversation about what is the best dark metal record ever, that is asking for opinions. If I am trying to fix something so I can go back to work on my own music, the last thing I want is some user trying out their guesswork. Would I ask someone on here how to use OCLP to patch my Nvidia gpu to work in my Mac? You have got to be effing joking. AI? Of course. It's not trying to answer questions it is unqualified to answer in hopes of some likes.

 

spoilers should be ruled out alltogether- or limited in size
i often save treads for future reference, using fireshot to create pdfs. it can barely handle the size of a regular full page.
some spoilers are longer than the page they are on, think bob dule full list of upid numbers (which i really like)

 

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I'm currently in a conversation with Alex from Chip bank in their website chat and via email. I suspect Alex is AI because whenever I go to the chat option on the site Alex, with photo, is always available during working hours (at least so far). If Alex is AI I think I should have been informed - but I stress I don't know. There are two or three other 'persons' available. What's interesting is my problem has been dealt with perfectly and whether Alex is human or not I can't imagine AI struggling with my issue. This is almost certainly how AI is sliding unnoticed into our everyday lives. I've heard that companies are already using audio AI for phone call support. Maybe in the beginning they will tell us we're speaking to AI bots but that will probably soon be forgotten as we get used to it.

 

I once read that a journalist wrote about AI music thefts and ultimately recommended confronting AI and stealing your music back. She concluded that if you want to be successful in the future, you can't avoid AI. She said you have to use it to stay competitive. What this means for me personally in practice, however, I haven't been able to conclusively assess yet.

I only know one thing: AI will come and change our lives, a) because it's feasible and b) because AI is faster and cheaper than humans.
On the one hand, AI can help solve problems, but you need an expert to review the AI results. Experts are rare, and experts usually have jobs where they sell their expertise/work. Coming back to this forum, certainly, some users could be helped, but the AI also hallucinates, and not everything is technically correct.

It's fast, though, and I don't know whether users will have time in the future to solve other people's problems. Some problems are time-consuming. I understand users who always want to read something they've written themselves, but have never started a topic themselves or engaged in intensive problem-solving. You have to concentrate on researching and writing.

I've had to listen to all kinds of insults and abuse in AI posts, and that from people who hardly do any problem-solving at all. I think we should give AI a chance, so we don't miss the train that everyone else has already jumped on and will continue to do. I'm also in favor of mandatory labeling!

Many beginners who make music are completely overwhelmed, and they need to be supported in the service of working together, not against each other. Help for self-help.

 

+1 Ban all AI generated comments.
If I wanted a chatgpt answer, I'd go to that chatgpt's website, not audiosex. I specifically come to forums because I like to hear what people who have actually lived on this planet and have had their own experiences have to say. LLMs just predict words.

 

People gotta know what they are doing and talking about. I don't see how it matters what tools they use.

That you can use ai without people recognizing is the proof that it doesn't matter what rule you integrate btw..
It is a structural fallacy for people to think they can eliminate every problem by just integrating a law and act like this being a law of nature that is "needed".

 

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It's a very useful tool and you need to know how to use it to find it useful. Also, you need to know at least something about the subject you're asking it about to be able to get a good, useful answer. I use "Al" to enhance my response and to help my fading memory "chips".
It saves you time to remember things, like any good personal assistant does and it does it better than any human assistant IMHO.

I'm guilty of posting a few combined me/Al answers myself, saying "this is what Al says about it" and think those answers from Al only made my posts better and more informative, because with my Swiss-cheese memory I always find myself remembering something I forgot later and editing my post to make it more precise. I can bet you've seen my posts, they are mostly "edited" because I remembered something after I posted it.

Having said that, I use it daily and discuss things I know a lot about, to see if there's some hole in my knowledge/memory or to enhance it about the subject. If I think Al is wrong about something - it usually is, so I'm just gonna ignore that part of its answer. If you use AI to generate an answer for you, you should absolutely mark it as such because it could contain errors you don't even know are there. Don't use Al to pretend to be a smart arse because that's not what it's for and it won't work. At least for now. Next year, though... hmm

 

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Knowledge and Progress (a few thoughts) Thanks @SineWave for the inspiration!

In the beginning, there was the word. People counted and looked and learned. Then, with the invention of the printing press and reproduction, the spread of knowledge accelerated worldwide. There were schools with textbooks and reference books. Then came television, and then the personal computer with the internet, which suddenly made knowledge available worldwide and free of charge to everyone.

Just look at libraries with books. As humans acquired more and more knowledge, it was clear that computers offered the solution for data storage and knowledge organization. Google was born, and one could also write comments online and post one's own texts and opinions.

So, today's knowledge inevitably gave rise to AI. It is the result of an accumulation of knowledge that needs to be organized, because the accumulated data volumes of knowledge are so vast that they need to be organized. Knowledge and prosperity for all!

 

Bingo. You can even see the hand-crafted " I just read AI and i'm trying to re-write it's output even though I honestly don't even know what I am talking about " responses already. All the time. People who would rather plagiarize computer programs they do nothing but complain about.

Where are these threads about opinion based subjects where people are even using AI responses? It should be used for looking up purely technical information anyway. Getting an AI response in reference to a question should be taken as a polite reminder to do your own research before asking for kid gloves answers you could have just read yourself. And didn't.

Remember the phrase "Google it" ? Instead of that, someone is being nice enough to provide you something to read you should have already read for yourself. Take its output and then add tips, corrections, or improvements. If you actually can. Let's see all these wonderful outcomes.

Half the questions on here that get AI responses could be solved by using the easy button ->

The real solution to AI answers is to simply stop asking lazy questions. None of the people who actually know this stuff had any remote level of such help.

 

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I don't know why there are people here discussing whether AI is a useful tool or not. Of course it's a useful too. But i can go talk to the AI directly if i want an AI formulated response. People responding with AI generated replies are contributing to their own obsolescence. AI is already good enough at that by itself, you don't need to accelerate the process further. There's something to be said about actual social interaction that an AI cannot provide. It's okay if a reply is flawed, narrow-minded, biased, I can make up my own mind about that. If we can just handle all discussion by copy pasting AI replies, then we might as well shut down all internet discussion platforms because they're no longer "useful". If you don't have anything to say about a topic, or feel like you don't know enough to contribute, then maybe just don't reply instead of pasting an AI response.

 

Don't get why people use AI to answer other people questions if they don't have any knowledge in the subject they are talking about. They cant even verify whether AI speaks some bullshit or not.
The whole point answering or expressing your opinion is because it's only your personal unique experience that you are eager to share with others. It maybe wrong or controversial but that's how people communicate and discuss something, mistakes a part of the fun not sterile AI algorithms from some coder.
I'm not interested in generic mumbo-jumbo from ChatGPT in forums. AI has it's own place and it's not between other humans discussing something. People here can cope quite well without outside help.

 

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I don't ever want to read what AI spits out, and I've been visiting this place less because of it.

 

When posting AI content, I would propose to post not only its output, but also the prompt used to generate it.

 

As you probably know [Spoilers] are not shown by Default so if you have opened one to view it and you do not want it to be saved in your Screen capture (pdf) then just close/hide it by clicking 'Spoiler' again before you Fireshot it.
That should work OK like it does with any browsers option to [Save/Print to pdf]

 

I don't get why people keep asking very technical questions all the time then.

 

Yes, put them into a spoiler. I'm a grownup and can ask ShitPeePeeTi, AwannabeI and google myself and don't need anyone to do that for me.

 

It's simple. Don't answer if your time is to precious to give it to a random person by typing a personal answer.
Whats the point in helping people when it comes without good intension and you need help yourself with the virtual brain.
Why participate in the discussion?

Would you want to buy listen a track released by your favorite artist than know it was generic AI algorithm or read an AI novel by famous author? Me not.

I think soon forums will need special bots to recognize AI generated answers and mark them