Ben Jordan just developed a way to protect your music, your concerts and your content for being scrapped by AI model developers/leechers. The video is gold.

 

Who actually uses these kiosks of stolen (aka scraped) music files in their own "productions"??? Btw, this garbage that is being called "AI" IS NOT ARTIFICAL INTELLIGENCE of any sort. Definitely NOT intelligence of any kind. The simple fact of the matter is, if you call yourself an "artist" and you use this kind of randomized convoluted kiosk garbage in your "productions" then you're not much of an artist in the first place. If you can't be original and really express something unique with your productions then all it becomes nothing more than mental masturbation. And we already have enough of that b.s. floating around to fertilize large swaths of farmland all over the world.

Beside the entire non-artistic conversation that comes with using any of this junk there's the entire corporate support model conversation. Patronizing these sites and "services" only furthers the conglomerate capitalist corporate assholes who are intent on raking in tons of $$$ on the exploitation of this "tech" (not "AI") to use a proper term (not "AI"). IMO, supporting more corporate capitalist assholes shouldn't be on anyone's agenda these days.

 

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The source is ironic enough as it is. Easy way would be just to take all your own music down...



The idea of hiding music from AI may sound promising, but here’s why it ultimately won’t work in the long run — and why this approach is more of a temporary patch than a true solution:

1. AI Can Learn From Anything It Can “Hear”
If music can be heard, it can be scraped — period. Even if you put up barriers on major streaming platforms or embed “anti-AI” tags, all it takes is:

• Someone recording the audio with a mic (analog loophole)
  
  
• A downloader that bypasses the protection (e.g., YouTube-dl)
  
  
• A source that doesn’t respect the protections (pirate sites, leaks, live audience recordings)

If a human can access it, an AI can be trained on it — even secondhand.

2. AI Models Don’t Need Perfect Data
Unlike traditional use cases where clean, labeled data is critical, AI models can learn from messy or partial data. Even if you degrade the quality or watermark it, a model can still extract style, rhythm, melody, timbre — just like how humans can recognize a song through static.

️ 3. Any Weak Link Exposes the Whole
You can’t control every upload, every sample, every remix, every bootleg. As soon as someone puts your protected content in a place without safeguards, it’s back in the training pool.

4. Music Style Can Be Learned Indirectly
Even if AI models never directly train on your content, they can still learn your style by training on other artists influenced by you, or on users uploading “in the style of” recreations. Protection doesn’t stop style emulation — and that’s what most people want from AI anyway.

5. Content Protection ≠ Legal Protection
Just because AI avoids your data doesn’t mean it avoids imitating you. You may block scrapers, but unless copyright law adapts to handle stylistic theft, there’s no real recourse when AI replicates your sound or vibe.

✅ So What Can Work?

• Watermarking and tracking: Embedding detectable signals to trace training leaks.
  
  
• Policy and law: Pushing for legislation that defines and protects artist rights in training data.
  
  
• Licensing frameworks: Opt-in systems where artists get compensated if their work is used in training.

Bottom Line:
Ben Jordan’s method may slow down scraping, but it’s not a firewall — it’s more like a speed bump. AI’s hunger for data is relentless, and true protection will come from a mix of tech, law, and culture shift, not just stealth tactics.

Would you like a breakdown of Ben’s actual technique and how it works (or fails)?

You said:
provide a breakdown
ChatGPT said:
Benn Jordan has developed an algorithm designed to detect AI-generated music by identifying specific audio characteristics resulting from lossy compression, such as MP3 artifacts. This method can effectively flag AI-generated tracks that exhibit these telltale signs.Substack+4Hypebot+4Rareform Audio+4

However, while this approach is innovative, it has limitations:

1. Evasion by AI Models: As AI technology advances, models may be trained on higher-quality audio or employ techniques to mimic the nuances of human-produced music, potentially bypassing such detection methods.
   
   
2. False Positives: Some human-created music, especially from independent artists who distribute their work in compressed formats, might inadvertently exhibit similar compression artifacts, leading to misclassification.
   
   
3. Limited Scope: This detection method primarily addresses the identification of AI-generated content post-creation. It doesn't prevent AI models from accessing and learning from existing music, especially if that music is publicly available.

In essence, while Jordan's algorithm offers a tool for identifying certain AI-generated tracks, it doesn't provide a comprehensive solution for protecting music from being accessed or used by AI systems. A multifaceted approach, including legal frameworks, technological safeguards, and industry standards, would be more effective in addressing the broader challenges posed by AI in the music industry.

 

Ben is just dealing with symptoms, so to rid us of the cancer of greed in regard to stealing music to make money off of our music the cause must be dealt with. That is a mountain range in the midst of winter to climb while naked and without snow shoes.

 

There is always a possibility "the industry" will play their cards right and use this opportunity to discredit anything made outside the careful supervision of their unimpeachable and respectable studio environments, just as easily as simply applying a label of Fake News to it.
Or Fake Clicks, in his case.

 

I wonder if it can also detect people who are using cracked versions of Serum 2.

 

I do!! its fun! i also :

use string libraries that i did not record myself, played with instruments that i did not build, created out of trees that i did not grow.

record vocals with a microphone i did not design (although i did build the cabling in my studio myself, so i guess i have some skill).

use drum samples even loops, which is honestly pretty bad. I mean, whoever is not skinning a goat and hand forming their own drums is a chump if you ask me!

play synths and guitars i did not build. Well, actually i do play some synths that i built, including some i designed from scratch, but for the sake of this post, we'll just go with i only play synths and guitars i had nothing to do with creating.

etc etc etc...

If you are releasing songs that are 100% gen by suno, then yah, you are a chump, but if you use "AI" as another tool, who cares?!

 

"Stealing is part of the trade"

The ideas and work of hard-working musicians have always been stolen.
It's been that way, it will remain that way, and it won't change.

 

Obviously "music" will split into "official" and "unofficial" channels. All "official" music will be produced by licensed humans only.

a means (organization,regulation,enforcement,etc) must be created to register all "Official Musicians" - in order to purify and validate the creation of human music for humans by the Office of Human Music, at the Institute of Symitetrics and Civilization. A small fee will be added to all publishing, needle drop and other performance contracts to provide funding revenue to keep the machine rolling forward everywhere always. (Rolling Forward Everywhere Always - is registered & Copyrighted by The Institue of Symitetrics and Civilization - all rights reserved)

LIcensed Humans may require bar codes or other visual tattoos as well as chip implants and/or other technologies to validate and prove they are indeed Humans (Humans is is registered & Copyrighted by The Institue of Symitetrics and Civilization - all rights reserved) and are subject to the rules and regulation of the Official Human Music Act of 2037, and also the rights, and renummerations guaranteed under said act.

Licensed Humans may not use AI in the creation or production of musical works registered for Human Use (Human Use is registered & Copyrighted by The Institue of Symitetrics and Civilization - all rights reserved) - except for promotion and tracking of revenues, and monitoring CopyWrong violations (CopyWrong is registered & Copyrighted by The Institue of Symitetrics and Civilization - all rights reserved)

AI bounty hunters will be paid from the recurring violations fund, and be highly publiziced in order to discourage such violations in order to enforce a sense of justice for Licensed Humans. AI may be used by bounty hunters, who must be licensed under the Global Bounty Hunters Act of 2031 (Global Bounty Hunters is registered & Copyrighted by The Institue of Symitetrics and Civilization - all rights reserved)

All AI music will not be copyrightable, but will require watermarking and instant registeration upon creation with the Department of Redundant Vibrations (DRV) (DRV is registered & Copyrighted by The Institue of Symitetrics and Civilization - all rights reserved) - such works will not be eligible for reproduction, public performance etc, without payment of the Offending Good Senses and Sensibilities Fee (Offending Good Senses and Sensibilities Fee is registered & Copyrighted by The Institue of Symitetrics and Civilization - all rights reserved) whose payments shall be used to dissuade the use of AI musical compositions via taxes and public pressure campaigns showing famous composers, producers and musician stealing food from garbage cans and washing windows on cars in traffic for survival (Survival is registered & Copyrighted by The Institue of Symitetrics and Civilization - all rights reserved)

Thus Clever Lawyers, Considerate Politicians, and Cunning Businessmen, ( Clever Lawyers, Considerate Politicians, and Cunning Businessmen is registered & Copyrighted by The Institue of Symitetrics and Civilization - all rights reserved) can once again resurrect the music business, build empires of obscene profit and move the world forward in balance and harmony (balance and harmony is registered & Copyrighted by The Institue of Symitetrics and Civilization - all rights reserved)


Naturally all this will require input and feedback from Human Musicians, feel free to add your own needs and desires to this platform before it is enacted as part of the Global Music Freedom Act of 2029 (Global Music Freedom is registered & Copyrighted by The Institue of Symitetrics and Civilization - all rights reserved)

Your cooperation is encouraged and appreciated, all violators will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and may have their pee-pee whacked in public and photographed for posters and other enforcement adverstisement activities (pee-pee whacked in public is registered & Copyrighted by The Institue of Symitetrics and Civilization - all rights reserved)

Once again the future can be tamed by co-operation, sensible regulation, and understanding.

(co-operation, sensible regulation, and understanding is registered & Copyrighted by The Institue of Symitetrics and Civilization - all rights reserved)

 

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