I'm trying to recall a session from a few years ago so I've been going through and re-installing some old plugins I haven't used in a while to get the mix to play back. So far so good! But I want to tweak some parts and some old libraries I didn't have installed anymore I'm having to re-install. But they are showing up as DEMO with no sound ouput.

Specifically, Spitfire Percussion REDUX and the OLD Spitfire Albion (now called Albion Legacy?).

Using MORiA's Kontakt 8.1, I usually use the AddLibrary.cmd with success. I think I also had to create .nicnt's with KLU 2 for these so they show up, but in DEMO mode.

I haven't had this problem with any other library. Has anyone else encountered something like this or have any ideas what could be going on here?

 

thank u for talking about this. I got the same issue.

 

To be clear, this is not a complaint of Moria's release. (It's worked better for me than any other). Just trying to be clear of my situation. ;)

 

I would install 6.8 if possible and call it a day. If it wants to overwrite (so you cannot have both), i'd cross that bridge when I came to it. I think you should be able to use both.

 

I was a bit nervous, lol, but I went ahead and installed 6.8.0 (HCiSO), but it's still showing up in DEMO mode. :/

 

I have the same issue with the Bobdule's release. Some libs for no apparent reason reverted to demo once I installed Kontakt 8. Nothing helps so far so I recon there's nothing to do but wait until enough people point this out and it will be fixed. My guess it's because of the mix of different release groups.

 

I wouldn't go mix-n-matching releases of Kontakt from different sources myself, but yeah, I've had (in the past) to have many different version of Kontakt installed for legacy projects (v1/2/3/4/5)... I think after 6, or rather, starting at 7, that they finally figured out how to have K7 open something in a session that started with a Kontakt 3 instance.... (not that k7 or k8 couldn't open them ((I think they are downward compatible to something like v2 or v3, but don't quote that as bible verse...).....

I would use KLU2 to add things, found on this site:

https://audiosex.pro/threads/klu-kontakt-library-utility-version-2.72857/

read it, learn it, and do it right... and should work out if you follow the instructions...

Some old pre-ninct libs are going to have a problem, and as clone said, there are other options as, I agree with everything @clone said in regards obviously to mixandmatch, and also consider the v6.8 mentioned, as can add... and coexist (does on my system), but I would stick to one source on this, (HCiSO being my recommendation), and erase all traces of the others as it just been solid and consistent.

Messing around with ninct's and snipd numbers and adding artwork and whatnot can/coul cause issues going forward, and I wouldn't mess with that any more then I had to, and sometimes it's easier to let go of an old library then it is to endanger your working ones and future ones.

I have those old Spitfire libraries in a folder somewhere, but yeah, they aren't active on my system anymore as it would be a pita or horribly problematic to install, and not worth it to me, and most of it either folded into newer libraries etc... See if there are new versions, if not... do what you want... but I wouldn't choose that hill to die on myself....

And honestly, for now, I would stick on Kontakt 7.10.x or whatever and not go to 8 until the tools you are utilizing are caught up, because they are not yet without knowing what you are doing and some lifting up the hood....

 

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Doesn't help, as the ones that appears in demo mode are the new ones, so I kind of stuck, can't use them in Kontakt 6 and they are in demo in 7 & 8

 

Well the other user was dealing with old libraries, so that was salient... But tbh, I don't know what you situation is, or what version you have installed, or possibly whatever other mishaps may have occurred with mixing versions or 7 and 8 (as crap has changed under there, and a lot of people are stuck... some aren't... but ...)

I'd clean delete/remove all things Kontakt completely (outside the library assets in their own), install HCiSO latest v7, and go to KLU 2 after having read the link I provided, and start from there.. as pigs aren't gonna fly tonight, and we do know what works now... if people follow the instructions and do things correctly.

(and if you think you 'need' some library from v8 for right now, ok... but whatever.. I wouldn't. not at this moment doing what you are trying to do and the problems you are running into... as it sounds like you are, or have done something wrong, and even Fred Bloggs himself suggests not f'ing around with v8 at the moment with existing tools as there is more to understand, for him, and others, and we haven't seen that yet...)

 

KLU cannot handle older libs of the pre-nicnt era.
To reinstall them must have a Standalone version of Kontakt 5.6.x (any version with "add library" button)

 

I have the same issue but with Kontakt 6 and probably know the cause:

Some libraries got updated to be Kontakt 7 or Kontakt 8 only (when you click on update in Native Access). Which means, they aren’t shown in the library tab of prior Kontakt versions anymore. But as I understand this is a prerequisite in order to load libraries.
The Kontakt chunk data in your old project still has the prior NKI data saved but the library is not installed anymore.

On Windows, there is a great library manager tool (actually for every Kontakt Portable version) where you can add libraries even if they are made for later Kontakt version. This ensures that you can still load older projects. However, I haven’t found a way to do the same on Mac.
I really hope there is a solution, maybe @Fred Bloggs has an idea?
As far as I understand, KLU doesn’t differentiate between Kontakt versions.

 

Situation is simple: upon installing ver8 a lot of libs went demo and after some fiddling I was able to fix it (mostly due to cleaning and reinstalling so I'm not sure what exactly was the cause). Then a new lib came out that I really wanted but it required ver 8.1 so upon updating I once again was greeted with demo but this time I don't give a f because it's a few libs and mostly the new ones that I haven't used in a projects yet, so I let be until less butt-hurting solution arrives (who knows with the new NI corporate policy we might see ver9 in a few weeks with some minor decorative changes as it happened to ver8)

 

Yeah, I try not to mix and match, myself. I just found the MORiA version to work simplest for me (until now). The only reason I added the HCiSO version now was to try the 6.8 solution (didn't find a MORiA version of 6.8). But that didn't solve it, so I'll remove that one now.

This simply could be the issue, because I do believe both of these libraries are pre-nicnt (the reason why I used KLU to create them...with libraries with .nicnt I've successfully added them with the AddLibrary.cmd

There are newer versions of these libraries (Albion ONE vs Albion....not sure about SF Percussion, maybe the HZ ones) but they appear to be completely re-recorded and don't match sonically, at all. So, was just trying to find the simplest solution since I have a handful of tracks that are going to need the same samples. ;)

 

Thanks. I just tried this as well. But since I'm on an M4 Mac K5.6 just won't load without crashing (even after giving it security permissions).

I did see someone recommend Junior Porciuncula app "Add Library" to work on M-series...but I can't get through all the OS security procedures to try this one either.

I do have access to an old Intel Macbook where I could add it, but don't know of anyway to "transfer" that information back to my Mini's database...?

Lastly, I could possibly get an old Kontakt version to work on my PC and track them through Vienna. This would be my hail mary and have been trying to avoid it due to logistics. Since I'd ideally like to have these libraries in my main system with everything else, I was hoping one of you smart motherf***ers could save the day.

Thanks for the tips. I'll keep trying.

 

Yeah, that would absolutely make sense. Even though I own Komplete Ultimate or whatever, I'm not using anything NI on my new system outside of Kontakt 7, (I think I tried GuitRig).... and I have ZERO reason to go to Native Access with just k'd Kontakt that I know of... and I certainly wouldn't be updating anything through it that wasn't licensed you know?

And yeah, while KLU doesn't differentiate between Kontakt versions in terms of adding and removing etc, the problem is, it looks like Native Instruments has changed the location or information between versions 7 and 8 (regarding plists and json files etc), and it makes a difference to THEM, thus Kontakt 8 is having issues for many as they haven't edited those files and whatnot (I haven't done it, but there are some workarounds, but not my first recommendation generally to people as could bring about some other problems if done incorrectly etc.

Fred Bloggs acknowledges this, and said he would be taking a look at it, but he works at his own pace, and hopefully he can easily suss it out so it's something that can be done from his great KLU's interface.... but for now...

 

Right, Albion ONE is a collection or compilation or whatnot of the older libraries... and the SF Percussion one, I don't have that, I'm not sure if it was resampled and built ground up or just scripted differently or dropped or perhaps moved just to their own Spitfire player or something...

Honestly, with stuff like that that I have on legacy projects, I would go to my old system and bounce as audio if they were important... not ideal, but obviously as time moves on, we lose certain things from plugs to libraries etc...

So I don't know if you have an older system or whatnot, or a backup, or whatnot... but sadly, that's been my best solution to many things from legacy projects...

and I see you mentioned "Add Library", I haven't used that myself, if you are having security issues with it, I would just make sure it's enabled/allowed in system prefs, or codesign it before install, (or after!) and the usual things regarding this....

 

Yeah, unfortunately I don't have a "legacy system" per se. At this point, I am hoping that I can install an older Kontakt on my PC rig and get these things printed from there. It seems I'll have less issues on that system than on the Mac. But, she's in the shop getting some upgrades rn (which hopefully won't make it more difficult!).

 

I think it has something to do with the ras2 authentication. Check if these libraries are present in the nativeaccess.xml!

 

ug, yea... it sucks right? In the last year I finally transitioned to apple silicon, and I have 2 5,1's in different places with those libraries or plugins etc, that I have to dust off and drop as audio and bring in.... it's not as elegant as I would like, but the simplest generally for me, you having to go across different system os's and whatnot presents some more pita, and the fact yours is in the shop doesn't help right now right?

Sigh... I hope it all works out.

and I don't like all the chicanery NI is doing under the hood, which I essentially believe is driven by greed in yet another ecosystem/sales open market they are trying to establish..... as it's certainly not helpful to us end users for sure right?