Not any religion- Do you believe in an intelligent GOD?

SyphonX · Aug 19, 2016

We are put on this earth by aliens as an experiment for them to see how "intelligent" creatures will evolve.
We scared the shit out of those aliens!!!

Jaymz · Aug 19, 2016

Everything you know and think you know i wrong !!! WHY ? >>> cause we are all aliens planted here for study and the moon is the mother ship LMAO!!!!!! Ancient Aliens gota love it ;) haha........

wil6415 · Aug 19, 2016

Tealla said: ↑

Ok I know this may trigger quite a few people here, but this is my story.

Jesus Christ, pulled me out of new age spirituality recently.
So no belief required here, it's a reality.

I have also received guidance by the Holy Spirit many times in my life. Up to this day.

God's logic works differently to man's, we see everything in an inverted fashion.
Everything that we get a hold of, we distort.

And it takes a major event, for most people, to realize everything that Jesus teaches. Until that time, they may be dabbling in a myriad (an enormous) number of things, from spiritual practices/teachings to non-spiritual practices/teachings. And they may think ALL these things are of high value, until their catalyst makes them realize no amount of things accumulated or practiced has any worth, until one turns to the true God.

From that moment they realize why there is such a plethora of distractions (esp. spiritual traditions and teachings and movements), they are there to lead one astray, simple as that. For one to lose one self and follow spiritual or non-spiritual teachings that lead to nowhere! That lead to a dead end. Literally.

Of course humans because they have a child-like consciousness, they cannot, from their own intelligence, tell what leads to a good end and what does not. Which is why some individuals (who show promise in the eyes of God) end up facing a huge catalytic moment in their life, which makes them decide. And then finally they might accept the living God, whom they once used to make fun of and condemn. Or ignore.

But yeah, spirituality, like sexuality, one of the most perverted subjects on this planet, and by purpose too. Through it, you can manipulate, vast, vast populations and draw energy from them.

For example the new age movement, and quite a few oriental religions (through the practices the individuals do) allow the fallen beings to extract energy from the practicioners. Also, the biggest part, is influence and possession, in various degrees. A lot of that goes on, and most people do not realize it. They may think they are acting from themselves, but it is not so. But that's a whole other subject. A very heavy one at that! Not to be gone into lightly.

I used to have sleep paralysis, kundalini energy risings, do reiki, predict the future (all successfully too) as well as channel high level (higher dimensional) civilizations/beings and think they were enlightened beings very close to God, whom it was safe to listen to and follow.

At the same time the Holy Spirit was also at times speaking to me. I thought it was all the same thing, all coming from the "divine". It was not until last year, mid year, that after 5 years, it all came to a head and Jesus finally said, you've learned enough. Time to get out and expose all this for many others to learn.

Looking on Youtube, it's amazing how many other individuals are exposing all of this as well. Quite a few people leaving the new age and doing a complete turn around. Within the new age, and even Buddhism, they used to hate the idea of turning to Jesus for salvation. It was ALL ABOUT "self-salvation!!!!!!!"
And then one experience with the true God, and all their knowledge, their whole reality comes crashing down, and they are humbled forever.

People are doing testimonies leaving: Satanism, occultism, new age, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Catholicism, Yoga/Tantra, Taoism, atheism, the Illuminati, Freemasonary, even Muslim terrorists... and are finding Jesus Christ. Because in some way, somehow, he appeared to them. Or they prayed to him, after years of hating him and got exactly what they prayed for. Usually reprieve from some life-threatening situation.

It's quite extraordinary actually.

And it has nothing to do with religion. It appears that, as Jesus taught, He really is the way out of the matrix. The only way. I used to absolutely hate that. And used to look for every way to avoid that.

It's amazing to me how I used think that was not so, and how many people oppose that. But that's because they have energetic attachments and mental programs that were inserted into them, to make them think aggressively towards Jesus or God, and to disseminate that aggression and hate into other people. I used to have the same. Quite a big attachment actually. I was speaking to a very high level handler. They assign such beings to you, when you have the capabilities to understand them and to further make others believe their lies!

And until all that stuff is clear from the person, the person will usually search for God in every other teaching, and in every other way, other than through the one way which actually is true and truly works.

You can thank the fallen for that, they infest this world on many different levels. Within many different vibrations and consciousness levels. So that every level, within which an individual may exist, the fallen have their alternative answer for the individual to follow and fall into.

They have a "solution" to every problem, just as long as you do not find the solution in Jesus!
Of your own free will!

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I saw quite a few people above me answer with fallen teachings.

These three are the example of how the fallen operate, these are their teachings disseminated in various parts of human society. So that every individual, or group, is in some way following the Satanic philosophy. Even those who think they are following no one's philosophy but their own, are following the fallen in some way:

1. "We are all one, with the One who is all".
Most macro level issues are paradoxical. e.g. God is One & God is all.
We live in a fractal reality: "As Above, So below"."

That is the typical new age simplified philosophy which leads to the rejection of Jesus.
It's quite potent. But it's a simplification, which is not entirely true.

2. New age channeling: "Conversations with God" by Neale Donald Walsch"

That's NOT God, it's a high level being in the fallen hierarchy.

You have to understand, they have A LOT of wisdom. So much so, that if you look at all of the arcane/occult teachings, the esoteric teachings, the teachings of oriental religions, teachings of the new age movement.... they are FILLED with KNOWLEDGE. Bursting at the seams. I was there and I know how it works. The promise of knowledge, wisdom and power are extremely potent and work on pretty much everyone. There are many different guides under which these poison chalices are offered. That's part of the deception, for you not to see what you are truly drinking from.

That's because these beings, all they have to offer, is knowledge. [Remember they are fallen angels.
How that translates in more modern way of expression is: higher dimensional beings existing at a higher reality, or at a different vibration of reality, a reality as real as the one we exist in. - (For you atheists out there.)] Through their philosophy of "self-salvation". They cannot offer true salvation, the one Jesus freely offers. Because they do not have the authority or the power of Jesus. So they offer something which to a human is perhaps more enticing, especially those who feel they lack power, lack understanding... and esp men. Men are more logically inclined than women. For women, they have a different approach, similar, but not so much focused on the promise of power. That one works only on some women. Not all.

The fallen hate God, so of course they offer the false doctrine of "self-salvation" to innocent humanity.
(Because they believe in it themselves and are trying everything in creation to escape judgement - the end of the cycle.) Humanity, who like a little child cannot differentiate between right and wrong <- How they address that, is by teaching you another false concept: that there is no such thing as right and wrong. So that at every turn, you are separated from God, rather than united, whilst they fill their teachings with false declarations that you are nearing God in all you do.

That one day you will become GOD. That's their selling point. And it's quite enticing to a species which was first beaten down by them, only now to be promised powers, evolution into a higher state of being, and god-hood. It works, it works very well.

3. "I do not believe in a god (or gods) because god is not observable, at least as far as I know. I believe it is intellectually dishonest to believe in the unobservable, because empirical data is the basis for everything provable, be it deductive or inductive. Furthermore, it is also dishonest to believe that the unobserved does not exist. Maybe god is observable, but the chance to observe god is extremely rare."

That's a fair stance. An agnostic stance, not an atheistic one. Therefore God may yet show Himself to you, if you search diligently and do not get swept up in the 99% of falsities which abound this world.

The atheist point of view could be called Satanic. There are actually two Satanic points of view. The theistic position, could be called Luciferian, which is all about higher wisdom, knowledge of higher realities, magic, psychic skills, and many many other things. This part of the fallen hierarchy is the one responsible for all of the occult knowledge, the channelings, most aspects of the oriental religions, the pagan religions, the gnostic traditions...

And then there is the Satanic view, which is pure atheism. And pursuit of self-satisfaction through PURELY materialistic means. Sensually, as well as in thought, in relation of oneself to all reality.

Whilst following pure logic and reason may seem reasonable. It in and of itself is a bit like only ever treating the left side of your body as alive and worth taking care of. You are completely missing out on the other half. And this is why the Satanic path is purely based on logic, on the cold hard facts. On the atheistic materialistic view of self and reality. From this fallen point of view and state of being, there is no room for true warmth, for true love, for true compassion, for FAITH! For something beyond oneself, for self sacrifice to an ideal that is not of the fallen nature...

Those things, from the Satanic point of view, are for the foolish and the weak.

But ironically enough, it is actually they who are only half the being, it is thus they who are foolish and weak. Which is of course why they have to conquer others, take from them everything, use their life force energy, their possessions, control them, abuse them and dominate them. This is why they are selfish, cold hearted and self-serving. Or why they are warm when it suits them and do not care for things that do not serve them! And why they are from their own point of view: "good".

It's very easy to be good from one's own point of view.

But how aligned is our good to the way God defines good?[/Q
Please tell me how The Holy Spirit spoke to you. I am most curious. And why do you say that everyone is wrong except you and when did you come to the conclusion that Jesus said you learned enough?
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SyphonX · Aug 19, 2016

[QUOTE="Pinkman, post: 212435, member: 26618"
Everything your world has done. You have done to yourselves.[/QUOTE]

That's the most cheap explanation for a God for His failed attempt to rule the world.
If you say something like that you do not take any responsibility for what is going on in this world.
It's like washing your hands in innocence. Hmmmm, didn't I read that somewhere?

SyphonX · Aug 19, 2016

Jaymz said: ↑

Everything you know and think you know i wrong !!! WHY ? >>> cause we are all aliens planted here for study and the moon is the mother ship LMAO!!!!!! Ancient Aliens gota love it ;) haha........
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Yeah! And now we are the aliens.... But unfortunately not very bright ones!

foster911 · Aug 19, 2016

So funny (watch till the end):

banaan_j · Aug 20, 2016

The "fun thing" is that from a (north) European perspective what he says is kind of not done. If he would do this in Europe, about half the audience thinks exactly the way he is making fun of, or some variation of the suggestion that you keep on going in the cycle of life..
Well "not done" might be too harsh, but he would not get good reviews

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Adamdog · Aug 20, 2016

I'm extremely religious

Delord · Aug 20, 2016

Hi,

For me it's a matter of common sense; a so well organized universe is necessarily organized by something. Even if you call that "something, "God", "Nature, "Coincidence" etc... Religion ares a matter of politics, power and who can tell a better story. As a musician, i trust my inner voice more than any spoken word from Human beings or more ;-) I naturally prefer good nature but can manage the others and more interested by "String theory" 's relation ship with "Music". No matter what we say about it, it makes no différence.
Cheers.

banaan_j · Aug 20, 2016

Here's just an alternative idea: What if there's a "soup" where universes pop up as bubbles and every universe can have their own properties within a certain set of outer limits for every property. If there are unlimited universes and a universe like ours would fit in those limits there's a 100% chance that this universe is created. If ours would not be within those limits it would not have
There actually is some evidence that supports this idea: http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblo...s-caused-by-unknown-gravitational-pull-t.html

_musicologo · Aug 20, 2016

iswingwood said: ↑

Of course there is an intelligent creator. You think our intelligence is from an accidental explosion? The Big Bang was intentional. Imagine supers computers in a network saying "no one created us". We give it all its instruction in code. We also have code called DNA. It was invented. Our tiny solar system is a....system. Systems have an administrator.
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i totally agree with dis.. theres no more to say about that.. the wisdom of the almighty is inside you

Ankit · Aug 20, 2016

I believe in physics. I believe in Einstein's work.
If there is god, then I think it is only scientists which can get closest answer of it. Sitting and worshiping god never helped to know anything meaningful. If God created the universe, then who created god ? A super god ? and chain goes on..? haha.. Worshiping god never gave me Internet, Cell Phones, music, computer etc.

But I respect others who believe in it. Believing in god has helped humans psychologically, which is a good thing.

mrfloyd · Aug 20, 2016

Search through sensory input and resulting concepts (language) is just one level of cognition.
A bit of introspection:
All sensory data are just a fraction of original input that is being represented mostly symbolically in our minds (thus we have a language). Even if you help sensory inputs with instruments that see or hear further and deeper or instruments that understand (calculate) faster than our senses and minds the result is again expanded generalization pool. So the world that we perceive and talk about (including the questions about the Creator) is a sum of synthesized reflections creating endless flow of ideas in an effort to classify, generalize and make some sense of perceived data (most of times to get some pleasure or avoid suffering). This process goes in endless circles throughout our lives mostly unchecked while the only constant is the pure sense of existence, the sense of being there to witness whatever is going on in the mind (i.e. life/world).
While the content of our lives and our impressions/interpretations are unique to each of us it seams that this witnessing "I" is universal, same for all and really not much affected by the knowledge, understanding, age, likes or dislikes. It seams it isn't attached to the person but the person is attached to the "I".
It is an amazing gift to get the opportunity to live and be self-aware and learn about the world and search for the meaning.
However as long we are trying to get that knowledge as a thing to be grabbed by the person, by the mind, we will never find It. Our generalizations will just get refined. Range of symbols and language terms expanded. More is less here.

The only chance may be to train the mind to turn away from the constant flow of sensory data (and resulting thoughts and feelings) towards the only constant that we are aware of every moment of our lives.

Good luck with a search for intelligent God.

Talmi · Aug 20, 2016

I don't know, I'm not a believer, I'm agnostic, but I do admire people who have faith, not necessarely the religious ones who for some have no reflexion on their own faith, they just were born with it, it's more a tradition thing.
God is about belief, it's an act of faith, and an act of faith cannot be called an act of faith if it's a rationalized decision. Believing is about making the jump, not about asking for proofs, it's not a scientific thing, those are separated, which is why many scientists have faith, they rarely believe in the God the Christians, Muslims or Jewish envision, they believe in the god of Spinoza, a mathematician god, but still it's an act of faith, they don't believe in this god because they have proof, they just made a choice. God isn't like buying a house, I guess, it's not a bargain, it's not a deal, you don't get to see before you buy, you have faith or you don't.
Faith, God and religions will always be there, they all come with being human, like art, sport and the freaking weather man.

Von_Steyr · Aug 20, 2016

I didnt believe in god.
But now that Behringer is delivering a full blown analog monster synth for only 999$,i changed my mind.
God exists and his name is Behringer.

mrfloyd · Aug 20, 2016

Talmi said: ↑

God is about belief, it's an act of faith, and an act of faith cannot be called an act of faith if it's a rationalized decision. Believing is about making the jump, not about asking for proofs, it's not a scientific thing, those are separated, which is why many scientists have faith, they rarely believe in the God the Christians, Muslims or Jewish envision, they believe in the god of Spinoza, a mathematician god, but still it's an act of faith, they don't believe in this god because they have proof, they just made a choice. God isn't like buying a house, I guess, it's not a bargain, it's not a deal, you don't get to see before you buy, you have faith or you don't.
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Isn't act of faith just an act of mind. Weather act of mind is logical/scientific or irrational/feeling it is still just an act of mind using person specific symbols and internal logic and representations. Therefore totally limited and mostly result of synthesis of many (often unrelated) impressions and thoughts. A barely recognizable map of totally unknown territory. Being attached to the map makes us in no way experts of the territory.
We can make the most beautiful or complex synthesized sound but that sound is nothing but a momentary expression of a specific set of parameters. Let's then make the ugliest or most boring sound and what has changed for the synthesizer. Almost nothing. All parameter combinations are valid and equally relevant to the Creator (synthesizer). All possibilities are equally relevant. The only difference is our personal like or dislike which change as the endless flow of impressions drags the life out of us.
"I think this, I think that", "There is an intelligent Creator, there isn't" are all within normal range of available sets of different parameter combinations and totally irrelevant to your true self. The thought will never touch the Witness nor will we if we focus on symbols and generalizations.
There is an option to drop the talk about the map and shift the focus on the holder of the territory.

mrfloyd · Aug 20, 2016

Von_Steyr said: ↑

I didnt believe in god.
But now that Behringer is delivering a full blown analog monster synth for only 999$,i changed my mind.
God exists and his name is Behringer.
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In your case I'd say God is still the Steinberg and just maybe Behringer may get to be a son of god.

DKB · Aug 20, 2016

I believe
God only exist on faith if there's no faith then there is no God .
That's it as far as I'm concerned
You can call me shallow minded or whatever but I believe
It's better to have faith and believe in yourself than some supposedly higher being .

Von_Steyr · Aug 20, 2016

mrfloyd said: ↑

In your case I'd say God is still the Steinberg and just maybe Behringer may get to be a son of god.
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Preach my son,preach!

Talmi · Aug 20, 2016

mrfloyd said: ↑

Isn't act of faith just an act of mind. Weather act of mind is logical/scientific or irrational/feeling it is still just an act of mind using person specific symbols and internal logic and representations. Therefore totally limited and mostly result of synthesis of many (often unrelated) impressions and thoughts. A barely recognizable map of totally unknown territory. Being attached to the map makes us in no way experts of the territory.
We can make the most beautiful or complex synthesized sound but that sound is nothing but a momentary expression of a specific set of parameters. Let's then make the ugliest or most boring sound and what has changed for the synthesizer. Almost nothing. All parameter combinations are valid and equally relevant to the Creator (synthesizer). All possibilities are equally relevant. The only difference isour personal like or dislike which change as the endless flow of impressions drags the life out of us.
"I think this, I think that", "There is an intelligent Creator, there isn't" are all within normal range of available sets of different parameter combinations and totally irrelevant to your true self. The thought will never touch the Witness nor will we if we focus on symbols and generalizations.
There is an option to drop the talk about the map and shift the focus on the holder of the territory.
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I can't talk about something I haven't experienced. Have you experienced faith ?
The way I think of it on the contrary I think people with an authentic faith can focus on living, rather than waisting their energy in questions with no answer like "why are we here?" or "who created us?". They get to experience life rather than trying to give it meaning. Isn't this what you were talking about ?
But again, I don't have faith in anything but myself, so I wouldn't know.

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