Not any religion- Do you believe in an intelligent GOD?

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  1. Maizelman

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    How? Like my child can learn from Jesus how to turn water into wine? Great. :facepalm:
    All those stories are far from reality and so not up to date that it is almost impossible for our children to benefit from those.

    The rhetorics you use come from philosophers, and yes, they lead to endless hypotheses when people like you don't want to accept simple proven facts.

    Its exactly the other way around. The church always pretended to be right, and then they had to correct themselves countless times because science proved them wrong. They even punished people who tried to prove them wrong.
     
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    They even massacred thousands of people in the name of God when they went on their Crusades, no different from when a suicide bomber yells God is the greatest before killing themself with other people
     
  3. farao

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    People believing in an intelligent God are not smart enough to understand why it is a stupid belief.

    It is of little use talking to belivers in an intelligent God about it. They are stuck in a loop where their brains fart so loud they can't hear their beliefs makes no sense.
     
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    Do I believe in an intelligent God?

    No.
     
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    Prove "Jesus Christ" ever existed. Without using the Bible (the claim). Without falling back on questionable hearsay far removed from the timeline, Josephus, or Tacitus. (the absolute best "evidence" I've encountered so far in my lifetime) Provide verifiable evidence that he existed beyond your personal belief or an argument from numbers. (ad populum) Also,"most theologians agree" is not going to cut it. Of course they do, they're in the business of believing, but agreement does not fact make.

    I think the character has been so widely propagandized and accepted as fact that most people just believe he existed by default. How could everyone (not exactly) be wrong, right?

    Go on, I'll wait. Show me the actual Jesus Christ. Physical, testable, authenticated in full records of multiple eye witness accounts from the exact time of Jesus assumed life by the people of Israel. Physical, testable, authenticated in full records from Pontius Pilate himself detailing what happened and or witness accounts from his soldiers. Come on man, this guy supposedly challenged an empire, show anyone who cared and took the time to detail it. It can't be that all we have is nothing but hearsay in some questionable scribbling by a non-witness Jewish man who would have never called Jesus, had he actually existed, the Christ to begin with, pulled out of a Christians apologists rear, Eusebius, who may have written it himself, some 3-4 hundreds years later. I just can't call that evidence. My standards for evidence simply exceeds that.

    Same as before, don't bother with long mazes of words about your feeling and beliefs. Jesus now or bust. Good luck!
     
  6. twoheart

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    I really tried but, no I don't.
    But it's hard to accept that all things around us, ourselves included, are not created by someone. Quite as hard to accept as the laws of quantum mechanics. It's just not intuitive to our brains.
     
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  7. crecy

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    In a gnostic sort of way. Religions no. To me, those are culturally influenced systems that function like pyramids with the hard working taboo respecting slaves at the bottom who feed it. They put the focus of worship on 'things' outside of yourself and harness the peoples' energy, and put barriers between your church and other churches. Spirituality is universal, but not in the 'new age' sense, but in a very real scientific, physical sense, for as much as we can perceive life through our 5 senses, which is limited. The process of 'awakening' is universal, but can be marked by cultural and regional differences, that do not set others apart. The focus should be on balance, we need our body to awaken in the mind, we do not escape the body, but thrive by integrating it fully. Religions and mythologies point to a forgotten past or part of our history. Cults, religions and the like are desperately outdated systems trying to imitate a misunderstood and forgotten past. Big questions for this generation: is death just a question of better technology-is what we call 'evil' universal-what is our forgotten past-are we told all the truth.
     
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    There have been some pretty weird constructs about the idea of a supreme being that created, oversees and controls all of life. Most all of them spiraled into cults. That to me is what organized religions are, cults. Like all cults the main premise of them all is...This Is The Only Way.
    The bible is held as the actual word of god. But there are 96 versions of the bible out there. Not translations but versions. And whoever you talk to that happens to adhere to any one of those versions is convinced their version is the only true word of god. The bible is a compilation of myths, stories and rules written and edited by a long and varied list of...human people, inspired and directed by other people. Stories compiled into a brutal Neolithic text that spawned the three great sky god desert religions...Christianity, Judism, and Islam. Three cults that have inflicted more pain, cruelty, war and death onto human kind than all others combined.

    Do I believe in an intelligent god, that is the same as asking if I believe in a rational human?
    I believe there may be a god. But I also believe if that entity exsists it likely has no resemblance to the human construct of god.
     
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    Thinking about it a little deeper, I might even believe in an *intelligent* God.

    But definitely not in the *unintelligent* ones we humans invented. :rofl:

    I suppose that makes me an agnostic? Ah, whatever. :P
     
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    Speaking of the bible, there is evidence it's been inspired by Egyptian religion. The similarities are just striking. I am kinda interested in religions, purely sociologically, so I sometimes like reading and talking about them.
     
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    That's it.

    These too easy ways (given the chistian religion) to see God as an old man sitting on a mountain controlling the little puppets down on earth in every aspect of life isn't the way modern well educated people can think about an "intelligent" God.

    Problem for "the churches" is that every border they built behind they defined God was torn away by physicists every other decade. Physics just don't need a god to function.
    But a thought that may help people who prefer to believe in a God may be: God is an instance who defines the laws of physics in our universe or if you like in all thinkable universes. Maybe in an other existing universe this God defines totally other laws of physics wich leads to a totally different functioning universe. Even the smallest change in e.g. gravity would change the "look & feel" of the universe extremely. With a little less gravity there won't be any stars or planets.
     
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    I kind of agree with you. But for someone to pretend they know anything about a supreme being, God, bring it up in a discussion and then have the bad taste to be touchy about it when I disagree can f o. Seriously.
     
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    I believe in stupid human being. I mean human being is stupid.
     
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    Maybe the universe itself is the "intelligent god". or the multiverse, or what's beyond the multiverse. Boggles the mind..
     
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    Human being is not stupid. Human being is creator. Creates based on the materials (knowledge + technology) he/she has accesses at that time to fill the mental gaps. These gaps are never filled completely and persuade you to create more and more and never reaches the absolute certainty in anything.
     
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    wrong. human are stupid indeed. they are controlled by energy and environments they staying at.
    smarter people can realizing human are stupid(and themselves) but stupid cant, and smarter people have a ability to found smarter people but stupid cant too.
     
  17. BooBam

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    Human beings are not stupid, they are ignorant. Ignorant of the others we share this planet with and ignorant of the planet itself. Humans have the hubris to believe they are the zenith of all life because of technology. They are not creators, they are destroyers. No other animal has caused the extinction of other species but humans. No other animal destroys the environment they depend on to live. The fanciful thought of colonizing other planets is utterly ridiculous when we cannot take care of our own. Like a virus we kill the host we live on and expect to move onto another? I don't think so. If there is an "intelligent" god, that would be the time they should step in and say, "No."

    I believe humans will destroy themselves and rightfully so. When they are gone the earth may shudder for a moment and say, "Phew, glad I finally got rid of those ticks!"
     
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    Stupidity and Ignorance are the 2 major driving forces behind the creativity. Humans are not doomed to stay in deplorable situations.

    3 meanings for stupidity:
    • Behaviour that is not at all sensible
    • Behaviour or actions that show a lack of good sense
    • Lack of intelligence or thought
    3 meanings for Ignorance:
    • lack of knowledge about something
    • lack of knowledge or facts about a situation or a particular subject
    • lack of knowledge or information about something
    I highlighted some words in pink. Almost all people think they're knowledgeable and well-informed, and their acts are sensible and intelligent. A so-called intelligent GOD plays the role of a supreme creator and judge on the various interpretations of the pink terms. No one in the human's history has definitively proven that GOD exists or not and this has been an open subject for a creative mind to unscramble it that takes an endless time.
     
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    you cant understand what i said, sadly, not so sad its so common in daily
     
  20. Jeff Maneville

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    Not that this proves anything, but ...

    Flavius Josephus include references to Jesus and the origins of Christianity. Josephus' Antiquities of the Jews, written around 93–94 AD, includes two references to the biblical Jesus Christ in Books 18 and 20 and a reference to John the Baptist in Book 18.

    I read his writings years ago and found it fascinating.
     
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