Need help with treatment (Room treatment, I mean)

Discussion in 'Studio' started by PouyaDH, Sep 7, 2014.

  1. PouyaDH

    PouyaDH Noisemaker

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    Hi everyone :)
    I just moved to a new place and definitely want to treat this room. I'm tired of having the music that took effort and time to make, sound perfect in my room but dead outside this room. :(

    So I've attached the pictures of my room, and thought to seek some advice from artists with more experience on this.
    I'm planning on making the bass traps & absorbers myself, But I still am confused a bit on where exactly they go !!!!!!
    I've seen a dozen videos. Some have placed traps right behind speakers. some have placed only absorbers in between their monitors on the wall. so many have placed bass traps in corners (Tri-corners or 90 degrees angels only). And some are covered 360x360 in acoustic treatment (DAMN :wow: )

    I wanna mount two LCD monitors on the wall in between speakers and place two 2-4 foot bass traps in corners but HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO PLACE BEHIND MY MONITORS.
    any Ideas ? :)

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  3. thantrax

    thantrax Audiosexual

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    Google SketchUp's picture could help us to understand how you placed (all) your stuff :)
     
  4. relexted

    relexted Producer

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    Pictures don't show..
    It should be a combination of traps, absorption and diffusing to make your room sound good. Alls comes down to budget.
    I will suck at explaining but gladly some people have written about it.
    Real Traps
    Ethan Winer Acoustics
     
  5. Mykal

    Mykal AudioP2P

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    You need help with thread editing, double posting is just lazy and against the rules on most forums
     
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    rhythmatist Audiosexual

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    here is a link to a profesional company. You don't have to buy their products, but I use them. They also have advice on how to make scientific calculations for your room under the support banner. http://www.auralex.com/products.asp#
     
  7. The things I worry about in your pictures are:

    The recess on the right where the door is. You could consider swapping the bed and putting the workstation on the opposite side of the room. Make everything equal and symmetrical.

    The lack of absorbent materials on almost any of your walls. That's going to echo. Try clapping and listening.

    The workstation probably needs to be 30cm (1ft) further back from the monitors. You have only one sweet spot. Its the same distance from the speakers as the speakers are apart from each other (an equal triangle).

    Your main problems will arise in the shortest route of return from the speakers - the spots halfway between your monitors and the sweet spot on both side walls and ceiling and maybe the wall where the workstation is now.

    You won't get perfection. Don't try. Just get enough. It's cheaper.

    Fudz
     
  8. Baxter

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    Don't spend money on overpriced Auralex. Their super-expensive foam only goes so far.

    Yes! Go DIY, making absorbers, diffusers, basstraps, reflectors, Helmholtz resonators, etc. The result will be far better and your own work will be rewarded by a feeling of accomplishment.

    http://www.gearslutz.com/board/bass-traps-acoustic-panels-foam-etc/
    http://www.roomeqwizard.com/

    Basstraps usually goes into corners (where low frequencies accumulates - ergonomic and effective) and other absorbers goes behind the monitors (aswell as the rest of the walls/ceilings). Difusors can be placed behind you in your listening location.

    edit: Can some mod merge these threads made by OP and then delete the fucked up post?
     
  9. angie

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    Your room seems pretty empty! When you clap your hands do you hear ringing resonances? Buy an inexpensive measurement mic and check the response of the room first!
     
  10. grdh20

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    See if there is a "foam" store of sorts in your area and go there and look for low price left over scraps that they can cut into shapes and sizes that you prefer. The thick dense pieces make good bass traps for instance. In areas that can't be seen, I have used the thick sheets of solid insulation board from home depot or lowes covered with some felt fabrik. Then a few real sound panels on the walls behind the speakers and on the opposite wall.
     
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    I didn't endorse Aurelex™ products, but their site has other tools. Are their product expensive, yes. But they are fire retardant, seem to last even exposed to sunlight, and just like anything else, you get what you pay for. Did my share of crappy DIY, and you still end up spending money to get the right products eventually anyway. No matter what the job in all of life, if I half-ass it now, I always wish I had just gone ahead and whole-assed it. :rofl:
     
  12. Check out this stuff. I am not vested in this company. I just think eco friendly products that work should be given a chance.
    Eco-Friendly Sound Products They also seem cost effective.
     
  13. relexted

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    Baxter his post is accurate.
    But first thing I notice is your monitor placement and sitting position. Not ideal at all.
    You want to direct your speakers into the far side of the room. So your sitting position is with your back facing the door. This is much more important then acoustic treatment.
    Avoid placing your monitors against a wall or in a corner. this is just common stuff... It's all mentioned, in detail, in the manual of your monitors.
     
  14. Catalyst

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    Topics merged. In the future one topic please. And unfortunately I accidentally deleted the post where you had the images inserted properly and left the older one where you didn't and I don't have the direct links to them so you'll have to fix it.
     
  15. AKMusic

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    Here are some links to good website info that helped me immensely with monitor placement and general studio set-up/design:

    http://www.instructables.com/id/From-study-to-studio-no-budget-acoustic-treatment/

    http://artsites.ucsc.edu/ems/Music/tech_background/TE-14/teces_14.html

    http://www.homestudiocorner.com/12-home-studio-necessities-8-acoustic-treatment/

    http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb06/articles/studiosos.htm

    http://thedspproject.com/how-to-build-a-diffuser

    http://thedspproject.com/studio-monitor-positioning

    http://thedspproject.com/the-new-studio-is-compleate
     
  16. PouyaDH

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    Thank you man, I might end up getting some auralex for tri-corners. I checked their support section, filled the information and submitted it. waiting to see what they say :)
     
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    Thank you all for the efforts to hep :):)
    Sorry I'm replying late and couldn't keep up with each comment.
    I'm viewing/ have read some & saved the articles and websites you guys referred.
    the pictures didn't work, so here are the more accurate ones from all 4 walls of the room.

    as you can see the back wall where I put my bed seems more appropriate for the workstation, but behind that wall my neighbor sleeps." I don't wanna deal with that head ache as u know :D "
    I wanna by these fiberglass boards My link. one pack will cover 2 bass traps and 2 or 4 absorbers.
    I also can't place diffusers/absorbers on my left & right because of the mirrored closet and the windows on the other side. :( !!!!
    And as Fudsey pointed out: there's a recess where my door is, and you can also see how the AC vent is. Are these gonna cause an extra problem ???
     

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    yeah I have read the manuals about how to place the monitors. I've always placed them 30CM away from the backwalls, and tried to make a triangle listening position. and I always cut or boost the low/mid/high frequencies with the knob controls these monitors have on their back. :)
    I can't really place them against the window, where my back is facing the door. I'll get noise complaints, and can't place any absorbers on the windows. :(
     
  19. almightyshux

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    Pouyad, I just completely redid my studio it was 17ft x 11ft. so very small, definitely too small for a sub. But in the end, after building all my broadband bass aborbers myself, I can say with out hesitation my room sounds incredible. I can tell what ever you want to know.



    As I said I built and hung all my Broadband Bass Aborbers. they are filled with Roxul, they are all 4" x 4' x 2', they are all hanging 2 - 4" off of the wall. They are straddling each corner, they are in the first reflection points, they are hanging on the cieling. I even built 2 that are 4" thick aswell. one at the back and one at the front.

    I can send you photos. people will tell you a million different right ways and wrong ways but the bootom like is there is a bare minimum that can be done. regardless of the dimensions of your toom. basically you do the bare minimum, then go from there. it's quite simple.
     

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    67.5" from tweeter to tweeter.
    2' from the back wall
    point the speakers 30° inwards
    sitting position is at the apex of your triangle, speaker to speaker to seating position.

    any closer together and you start to lose the stereo field. any further apart and the stereo image collapses.

    if you don't have the space, then just make all the dimensions smaller.
     

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    You're right. there's only so much I can do with my room. there are so many long articles about the acoustics, but now I just wanna know how many bass traps and absorbers I need. that's it. :) I guess I'll place 2 in corners. 1 hanging from ceiling. 2 absorbers behind the monitors, and possibly the tri-corners too.
    there also is an unparalelness because of the entry door recession, and the weird bay for the A.C on the ceiling. I'm worried about them but nobody seems to know what to do with those :)

    and yeah, that would be awesome if you could send me some pics of your final room :)
     
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