Apple was good +10 years ago. The price was high but the quality was amazing. Nowadays if you buy good components a pc is even better than a mac in terms of quality.

 

You sure, they are all the rage these days?
Look great next to your Bill Gates photo and anti-gravity boots

 

Yeah but Mac users think the components inside their computer comes from Mars (where S.job is in fact hidding) and has a quality you can't find any where else in the universe.
Trying to explain to them it's regular components which aren't anymore of the highest quality is like explaining a 5 yo that Santa is a ....(take the children out of the computer room before I spill the beans) myth....
But shutttt....Better let the kidos have their dreams.

 

I agree, glad I have one of those ones.
I don't follow the crowd and make ridiculous purchases, this was 10 years ago. Phew

 

Oh no my friend. Here you are wrong. It's the galaxy only you won't find them. No exaggerations please.;)

 

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see 10 years ago...

ferrari are pro audio laptop's todays....for me a ferrari is old server dell pc with xeon for hackintosh..or i7 pc with killer components but no overload at ports or stuff...u mast have unit exact for youre set up...i didnt pay for the older but i got 1 surf laptop ,1 ebay etc. linux pc,1 scsi sample pc,1 i7 workstation offline and clean
so when i imagine buy for every ones task a mac lol...besides linux pc

 

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My thoughts on Mac vs PC. Two words: Core Audio and Core Midi. Is that two words?

 

5 words, but yeah...Anyway, yep. That's related to MacOS.
So it's more your thought on MacOS vs Windows. Fair point btw. I'm jealous of core audio.
Again hackintosh is a good alternative. You get to have good recent and decent priced hw, with the os of your choice.
There is no contestation by anyone that windows kernel is old, and outdated as f..k as far as audio is concerned. No windows users would say otherwise cause they aren't delusional. They have to deal with Asio and the many midi tools available for windows. Hah and no logic...So yeah. That's about the difference there is today. About as thin as cigarette paper.

 

I have this image in my head that I've never been able to shake about PC'S and Macs. A Mac is - let's say a Ferrari. The body is by Ferrari as is the engine, the gearbox, everything .... it has been tested as a whole to work as a whole. A PC is a kit car. Huge Chevy big block engine paired to a top end gearbox that unfortunately has ratios that don't suit the power output. A slick clutch that burns out after 6 weeks. Suspension that is great in a hot hatch with a turbo 2 litre but with that engine weight, has the back end sliding around like it's on ice. The Ferrari costs a lot and the kit car has better specs and was much cheaper but it's a really bad ride.
That's my car analogy. I could try and do one with fish, but it wouldn't be the same.

 

This sounds awful, but does raise a question. What is it going to take for you to stop buying apple products?

 

The times when you wanted a new PC every two years are over. PCs don't perform twice as fast every second year anymore. My I7-2600 is nearly 8 years old now, and it works like a charm. I've still no intention to get a new one. But I did get new graphics cards twice in this time, got a new power supply once, got more RAM and new SSDs and HDDs.

If an SSD would break, I order a new one which will be delivered in 3 hours to my door. I need 10 minutes to replace the old one and be done. No Genius Bar shit, no transportation of a whole PC, no backing up, no cleaning the whole PC from confidential data before handing it to Apple, no need to plan appointments, no need to wait for it to get fixed.

Apple hardware is as bad as Microsoft operating systems.

DIY hardware with macOS is the way to go. And I don't see Apple coming up with good hardware or Microsoft coming up with a good OS or Linux becoming widely supported anytime soon. If you want the best hardware and the best OS to work with, Hackintosh is the way to go.

Yes, it can get a bit of work at times. I'm running a Hackintosh for years now and usually all goes well with all updates. But once in a while you need to google and fix some stuff. But that's nothing compared to having to deal with shitty hardware or a shitty OS.

But, as I need my PC for work, just in case everything would break I also own an old, cheap Mac Mini. I could switch within minutes and be ready to finish a job until I have time to take care of the Hackintosh. Never happened so far. And as the PC is dual boot, I could also work with Windows if needed. But the only reason I did boot in Windows in years is to play games. And I didn't do this for a long time either because I got a Playstation.

 

Same,
though I'm one generation ahead, 3770K. But out of few Skylakes I tested, some of them are actually worse in power efficiency than properly undervolted Ivy.

 

Ha Ha Apple is a sport car for you?and Windows a bicyble or a lawnmower?
When I use both I don't feel such a difference.

Hey Apple is blacklisted in my mail box.They send me their shit because I bought a iphone 5C in the past because my previous phone fell in a swimming pool.It's the unique product from Apple I've ever had.
Todays I only have used FREE (i)phones from my friends and my family who change their phone every 2 years and so I decided to never buy their crappy 1000€(!) phones again(Samsung or Apple).
I think I'm smarter than other people,even if it sounds vain.

 

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When the Sun becomes a red giant and the seas boil dry. When immersion in molten lava is a blessed relief from the heat. Then I will stop. You have my solemn word.

 

So is the Imac pretty much the way to go nowadays for music or does anyone still get macPro's?

 

On paper are those any good ? It's the one I have so I do wonder a bit. I can't stand the OS so I've never actually done much in it. Went on the web real quick. Didn't even porn baptized it actually...

 

you read my post at all ? where I list points which i prefer on macOS ?
that has nothing to do with fashion, it's function and features that I miss on Windows not fashion

Totally agree with its price, but that can be get around by just building a Hackintosh

 

I think this isn't quite correct - I think you meant you don't like the user interface. Most windows users didn't like the Mac OSX UI because of the lack of the richt mouse button. And the 'controlbar' (?) on the top. Programs command and menu structure is mirrored into this controlbar and that is very uncommon to Windows, where every program has it's own one.
I don't like the OSX UI either.

But the OS itself is quite transparent to the user and the functions of the OS are quite the same beyond the UI level.

What I really do like about Mac OS is, how you could install programs.

It's done just by copying a folder. Quite the same as "portable" apps we know in windows.
No registry, no DLL hell.
This is why Windows systems tend to decay over time in performance and stability:
Every installed program makes the whole system a little bit more instable because it installs .DLLs, libraries shared by several programs and registers them for own and other apps use. This leads to incompatibilities over time because most programmers don't care about others and don't code properly as the registry/DLL system strictly demands. If you programmed an app relying on a given DLL it may not work(correctly) after another programmer overwrites this DLL not obeying versioning of it. Uncorrectly working uninstallers (the standard!) won't really delete everything they should and are not able to reset the system registry to the state before the program was installed. And they don't roll back changes or deletions to .DLLs corretly. Sometimes they even delete DLLs still in use by other programs and you won't realize wich uninstaller did it when you start the program days later.

This "registry/DLL hell" won't happen on OSX because of lack of registry.
The same goes for iX systems.

Therefore Windows decays over time by design, OSX and iX systems won't (that much at least)

What I would like is an OS with the strengths of both worlds. or all three!?

 

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Didn't analyze that much. Tried it. Didn't like it. It is probably true though, seeing the faces of any exclusive mac os user when they're asked to use windows (just this redish thingy, veins coming out and all), sure adaptation is difficult. But for me keeping my windows from decaying, since I know how to do that since ever as well as assemble PC and keep it running, well for me that part is very easy. Using an OS I don't like isn't.
I don't know, to mirror your thoughts and maybe make MacOS users feel better, well I don't like any OS really. Windows is the one which, for many different aspects, annoys me the less.