Music Theory Distilled

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  1. rootwits

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    These video's are very good, i just had to share them. :)






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  3. MMJ2017

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    Really good stuff for beginners .
    I have some issues with the way he was describing sone things but I recognize it's meant for people starting out .
    ( Like calling a triad a chord)
    You really need at least 4 notes to make a chord
    But he talking to people starting out.
    ( Or saying that you pick the chords from the scale for the whole song )
    You really pick the scale to go with the chord
    He says music does things theory cannot explain
    I never seen that happen
    But I get what he trying get across to beginners

    But again it's just introduction level do I understand not wanting to confuse people starting out
    Good stuff.
    I support people who love music to get involved in it start learning these things about music .
     
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  4. Baxter

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    A triad is a chord (in any inversion). So yeah, you only need three notes.
     
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  5. Jake Newell

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    I've been playing in bands for years and a C chord is CEG. How is this up for debate? I'm trying to move away from playing live and get more involved in home studio stuff. So I'm on the lookout for tricks and tips for creating convincing arrangements.
    I'm sorry MMJ2017 but I felt compelled to use the dislike button. You're adding confusion to a simple topic.
     
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    great stuff
    especially useful for EDM where harmonic landscapes are very simplistic...well done
     
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    He is a jazz player, what do you expect. He brainwashed himself onto 1 style and rejects anything not confirming his ideas about music.
     
  8. If I was YT's inspector, would delete all the tutorial videos which simplify things. I think I have to remove all contents.:dunno:
     
  9. SceleJohn

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    I'm pretty sure that even only two notes can be considered as chords
     
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    I just came across a video(s), where this guy, that obviously most of the time interprets composition from a jazz point of view (which I don't), keeps calling triads "chords". Yeah, he has to be a beginner.. still don't understand millions of views on his vids and a base of 900000+ subscribers.

    listen at 6:50..... do I hear "chord" or what?


    or here, where you also get the notation written down... for free!


    ^^This is a joke (note for novices - Rick Beato is a well known and respected educator. So the speculation of him being a beginner, was a joke)
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    I've never reported anyone to the mods, I never gave anyone a negative or even neutral rating. And I will not do it now either.. I also like to joke and stuff BUT,

    here I see a pattern where a false information is deliberately spread on a professional forum, dealing with music. This IMO is unacceptable(!) and I will do everything in my power, if my suspicion results plausible!

    ^^THIS IS NOT A JOKE
     
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    keep calm and stay in scale :drummer:
     
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    :wink: ditto.. but if I have to, I will modulate..! :winker:

    BTW @rootwits, thanks for your time putting that material up! :yes:
     
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  13. Even 1 single note itself is a complicated chord, regarding its harmonic series, but who tends to regard?:sad:

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  14. Jake Newell

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    I'm new here and I am confused. What are you saying is a joke that should be reported as false information? What is unacceptable?
     
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    I'm sorry for confusing you.. your way of playing chords is totally OK. And the rest that you wrote is correct..

    Welcome to the forum! :wink:

    You deserve your first "Winner" rating for being straightforward, and I'm glad it's from me.
     
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    Hello my friend , please don't think I mean any hostility .
    The reason a triad is NOT a chord is because it is a
    Incomplete sound .

    CEG
    Could be representing
    CEGB. Cmaj7 ( I and IV chord
    Could be representing
    CEGA#. C7. ( V chord )

    DFA
    Could be representing
    DFAC. Dmin7 ( I,ii, iii, vi chords)
    Could be representing
    DFAB Dmin6 ( I chord
    DFAC# Dminmaj ( I melodic minor
    BDF
    Could be representing Bdim7 BDFG# ( G7,E7,C#7,A#7) dominant chords
    BDF
    Could be representing BDFA ( vii% chord Bmin7b5

    So, it is for this reason TRIADS are are not considered chords they just don't have enough information to represent something
    They are too Vague
    There are limitations with 4 note chords sometime also
    Take for instance

    DFAC Dmin7
    It could be I chord , ii chord, iii chord , vi chord
    For example.
    But it has enough information to be a chord .
     
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    Really ?

    Let's test your idea ( maybe it's valid?)
    Say
    We have a C
    Note what kind of chord can it be?

    Cmaj6,Cmaj7,C7,C9,C7#11,C13,Cmaj7#11,
    Cmin7,Cmin9,Cmin7#11,Csus2,Csus4,
    Cmin7b5,Cdim7,Caug,Cmaj7sus4,C7sus4
    C/F#maj,C/Baug,A#/Amin,
    I literally could continue to list hundreds or more chords that a single note could be representing .

    Or do you actually mean C note is actually representing Clydian dominant ( acoustic scale?
    Def cannot say from a single note


    A complicated chord is

    Bmin/Cmin/c#min/Dmin
    Not
    C byitself
    A single note is ambiguous
    A 12 note chord is specific.
    ( Then you have a spectrum in between)

    Please don't take this as hostility my friend
    I just enjoy these topics have great day .
     
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  18. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_series_(music)
     
  19. MMJ2017

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    CEG does not give enough info to be a chord it's ambigious
    Is it CEGB? CEGA? CEGA#? C7,C9,C13#11?
    CDominant diminished? ,Clydian dominant?
    No way to tell the 3 notes don't tell you that much
    3 notes are missing the description
    Once you add a 4th note now your starting to get closer it's enough to be a chord

    CEG could be
    CEGA C6
    CEGB Cmaj7
    CEGBD Cmaj9
    CEGBDF#A C13#11
    CEGF# Cmaj7#11
    CEGA# C7
    CEGA#D C9
    CEGA#DF C11
    CEGA#DF# C9#11
    CEGA#DF#A C13#11
    CEG/C#FG#. C#M/CM
    I could list 50 more that CEG could be representing .
     
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    Yes very good you under stand how TIMBRE
    Works.
    What does the timbre any single note , have to do with your claims
    " Even single note is complicated chord"

    A single note contains harmonics which make up it's TIMBRE
    That is how harmonics impact a single note .
    A complex chord is not a single sounds timbre
    A complex chord is 6 or more notes EACH with their own TIMBRE ( each note has different harmonics in equal temperament)
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timbre

    If your claim was true that a single note is a complex chord due to its harmonics

    A simple test could prove this .
    Run a guitar through a distortion pedal or amp
    Or any sound for that matter through distortion ( which allows you change harmonics
    You would have your single note be on the same playing field as other complex chords
    Like Fmaj13#11 for instance or Cmaj/C#aug

    I do not wish to upset you my friend I just enjoy speaking about these topics .
     
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    @Baxter @Radioactive Fallout @MMJ2017

    The question about how many notes needed to constitute a chord is a matter of utility, there is no strict right and wrong here really. Teaching beginners maybe most common is to say you need three notes, just for the simplicity learning harmonics. I have hard seeing the utility for calling a single note a chord in itself even considering the harmonic overtones. Why would you want to? There are simpler ways to explain this. There is utility learning that tuads and triads are in a way ambigous chords in the sense they can represent many different chords. Please do not seek to say this is an area of strict truth, there is only utility to be found here, and as long as you explain what you mean and it has utility, in that sense it is true. So, no need for a war on this simple point.
     
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