Music Bites #2. ( All about the Cadence)

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  1. DhaDhaPequeno

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    So modifying to the A# with The C6 defines Fmaj?
     
  2. MMJ2017

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    So, c major is
    CDEFGAB
    Fmajor is
    FGABbCDE ( a# is Bb)

    The difference between F major key and C major key is just one note A#

    All the types of C chords and what keys they belong to
    Cmajor7....... CEGB (key C) Cmajor6 CEGA

    C7............... CEGA# (key of F)

    Cmin7 ........CD#GA# (key A#), (key D#), (keyG#)

    Cmin7b5.....CD#F#A# (key C#)

    Cdim7........CD#F#A (key C#),(keyE),(keyG),(keyA#)

    .......
    Now any major7 chord

    Let's say Cmajor7 CEGB
    Can be C6 CEGA
    So Fmajor7 FACE can be F6 FACD

    Gmajor7 GBDF# G6 GBDE
     
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    Hi MMJ,please what are the notes of the Amin6 chord? A,C,E,F ??
     
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    F♯ not F
    Would sound strange with an F :unsure:
    Amin6.jpeg
     
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  5. Blue

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    Yes I know it would sound strange with a F,but he was talking about A minor scale.And there isn't any F# in A minor scale,so I don't understand.

    Can you clarify this please?
     
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    Amin6 is ACEF# Aminmaj is ACEG#

    So there is 3 Aminor scales .
    A natural minor ( used in c major scale
    ABCDEFG

    A harmonic minor (used for progressions
    ABCDEFG#
    A melodic minor ( used for lines melodies
    ABCDEF#G#

    Use harmonic minor V chord EG#BD E7 v of Amin
    Use melodic minor Amin6 ACEF# for I chord.
    Use Aminmajor ACEG# for I chord
    Use Amin7 for I chord ACEG



    When you create a minor cadence ( ii V I
    You use harmonic minors V chord
    And melodic minor chord
    Bmin7b5 ,E7,Amin6




    Now for each key say C major A relative minor
    Your are using
    C major
    C natural.minor
    C harmonic minor
    C melodic minor
    A MAJOR
    A natural minor
    A harmonic minor
    A melodic minor

    Except C harmonic and melodic minor is in substitutions.
    A major is in substitutions

    The primary ends up being
    C major
    C minor
    A harmonic minor
    A melodic minor
     
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    It's a bit confusing at first but think of this

    Every maj6 is also a min7
    Ex.
    C6 CEGA is Amin7 ACEG

    Every min6 is also min7b5
    Ex.
    Dmin6 DFAB. Is also Bmin7b5 BDFA

    The use of tonic 7th chords is only recent.
    Normally
    You use tonic chords as 6th chords
    The reason is it's actually less tension .

    Take G7 GBDF resolving to Cmajor7 CEGB
    The B needs to raise up to C but in Cmaj7
    The B carries over but the B and F are tense and dominant .

    So GBDF to CEGA
    G up to A
    B goes to C
    F goes up G
    D goes up E
    It's a stronger resolution .
    However
    You can also just resolve to CEG major triad

    Now a key means a link between 2 cadences.
    So

    Dmin7,G7,C6,Bmin7b5,E7,Amin6
    Fmaj7 is the link

    If you use the tritone substitution s
    Dmin7,C#7,C6,Bmin7b5,A#7,Amin6

    You get chromatic descending motion .

    But ALL
    A key is , is 2 cadences Cmaj Amin are linked
    That link is FMaj7 ( or Dmin7)


    The link is the location
    C ii V I
    Amin ii V I
    Both take place inside of the links
    ( Fmaj7 or Dmin7


    This really important because people get impression that a KEY means you can only play those 7 chords for a song it's not true
    A KEY has nothing to do with what goes in songs it's
    A structural consonant link between major and minor
    And those 2 cadences are only expansion of the tonic.
    So a KEY only means a connect between the 7 chords
    And ZERO restrictions about adding anything in a song or a Melody or harmony

    At all times in every key you have all 12 notes a part of a key.
    C major or any key has all 12 notes to use.
     
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    Chromatic scale from the perspective of C major.

    C......... C.tonic
    C#.......A7 ( V of ii chord Dmin7
    D.......... Dmin7
    D#.......Fminor IV min
    E...........Emin7 or E7
    F............Fmaj7 link
    F#..........D7 V of V
    G.............V chord G7
    G#...........E7 V of Amin
    A..............Amin tonic
    A#............C7 cega# V of IV chord
    B...............Bmin7b5 ii of A, (Vof I



    This carries over to every Key
    So as long as you know the function and you doing it on purpose to accomplish something
    ALL 12 notes are available in every key.
     
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    If you take key of c major
    1.CEGB
    2.DFAC
    3.EGBD
    4.FACE.
    5.GBDF
    6.ACEG
    7.BDFA


    We see 2 cadences linked with Fmajor the.midfle chord.

    Dmin7,G7,C6
    Bmin7b5,E7b9,Amin6

    Over top a low
    Fmaj7


    That gives us a major type of cadence
    iimin7, V7,Imaj6
    And a minor type of cadence
    Iimin7b5,V7b9,imin6

    Now because these cadences are an extension of I our tonic.
    We actually have a cadence to each of the 7 chords.

    While still staying inside the KEY of C major.
    1.dmin7,G7,Cmaj6
    2.emin7b5,A7b9,dmin6
    3.f#min7b5,B7b9,emin6.
    4.gmin7,C7,Fmaj6.
    5.Amin7,D7,(you only have ii v because G7 is dom
    6.Bmin7b5,E7b9,Amin6.
    7.c#min7b5,F#7b9,Bmin7b5.


    The only
    Odd man out
    Is the G7 we do use the ii V Amin7,D7 but skip the tonic
    So in key of c major you'd see a progression like
    Amin7, D7) dmin7,G7,C6,(Gmin7,C7,Fmaj7)
     
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    What scales to use.

    Dmin7,G7,C6
    Dmin7 (DEFGABCD
    G7(GABC#DEFG
    C6(CDEF#GABC

    Bmin7b5,E7,Amin6
    Bmin7b5(BC#DEFGAB
    E7(EFG#ABCDE
    Amin6(ABCDEF#G#
     
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    Thanks for your previous answer.Yes now I understand when you say you were talking about harmonic minor and melodic minor scales.
    But:
    Sorry but it's not easy to understand you sometimes...
    When You're saying Fmaj7 is the link,what does it mean ? You have to resolve from Amin6 to Fmaj7 ??
     
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    Hello friend , no it's okay .
    That's excellent question .

    So the 2 cadences
    C major cadence
    Dmin7,G7,C6
    And Amin cadence
    Bmin7b5,E7,Amin6
    That is 6 chords in c major so there is only one left .
    4.fmaj7
    The c major and a minor cadences
    Take place inside of Fmajor

    Try it
    Fmaj on bottom
    While it rings in low register
    Play
    Bmin7b5,E7,Amin6,Dmin7,G7,C6
    Over Fmaj7 ringing out whole time

    Or tritone substitutions
    Bmin7b5,Ab7,Amin6,Dmin7,C#7,C6
    Over Fmaj7 ringing out whole time .

    1.cegb
    2.dfac.
    3.egbd
    4.face
    5.gbdf
    6.aceg.
    7.bdfa

    All 7 chords are consonant over top a Fmaj7
    This is because 7 chords inside of the key are
    2 cadences c major and Amin (which consonant over Fmajor.

    You can extend this to Dmin7 as well to get a minor " link"
    So
    Bmin7b5,E7,Amin6,Dmin7,G7,C6
    Over top
    Dmin7 ringing out whole time
    All 7 chords are consonant over top of Dmin7 as well
    So even though the cadence creates dissonance resolving to consonance that all happens inside the link .
    All keys are like this with it's 4 chord.
     
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    It might seem bit confusing at first but it makes sense.
    When you play using the link you are transitioning over to seven note chords ( connection between tonal and modal music )

    So let's say you have just a C major cadence.
    Dmin7,G7,C6

    Let's use the information about the link transition to 7 note chords
    ( Ex.
    Bmin7b5,E7,Amin7,Dmin7,G7,C7
    Over
    Fmaj7

    So going back our cadence

    Dmin7,G7,C6

    Now we going to convert over to 7 note chords

    DFACEGB,GBDGAC#E,CEGBDF#A

    And you can use the chords in there as movement

    So for the G7 Lydian dominant you can use it's chords moving over top of G7
     
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    What this really means about what a key actually is
    A connect between the 7 chords
    2 cadences and a link.
    That's all a key really is.
    A key is not about any restrictions
    Like only using 7 chords in song or part of song
    It's that there is a certain link connection between the 7 chords .
    Then we can make a cadence to each chord in the key without leaving it also.
    1.dmin7,G7,Cmajor7
    2.Emin7b5,A7b9,Dmin7
    3.F#min7b5,B7b9,Emin7
    4.Gmin7,C7,Fmaj7
    5.Amin7,D7,G7
    6.Bmin7b5,E7b9,Amin7
    7.C#min7b5,F#7b9,Bmin7b5.

    You have a cadence to each chord in Cmajor
    While still staying inside of Cmajor .

    Here the scales.
    iimin7(ii Dorian)V7(Vlydian dominant,(Imaj(Ilydian

    Minor

    iimin7b5(locrian#9),V7(Lydian dominant(imin6 melodic minor)


    An easy way to rember the scales to any chord
    Let's say Cmajor
    CEGB
    1357
    You simply add wholetone above the 135
    So
    CEGBDF#A
    So say G7
    GBDF
    1357
    Add whole tone above 135
    AC#E
    So
    GBDFAC#E
    13579#1113
    Say
    Dmin7
    DFAC
    1357
    Add wholetone above 135
    EGB
    DFACEGB

    Say Bmin7b5
    BDFA
    1357
    Add wholetone above 135
    C#EG
    BDFAC#EG

    Using scales this way means you can use any of the 7notes on the strong beat
    ( As well as chromatic scale on weak beats)
     
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