Matching the Beat to my Guitar Recording.....

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  1. funkytoe

    funkytoe Ultrasonic

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    Matching the Beat to my Guitar Recording.....

    When i do this using Studio One and Melodyne i find
    that the Drums and everything else played with midi
    (played to the Grid)sounds more natural then .....
    on a static lets say.. 110 bpm.
    With this method i get ..110.2 bpm for Example.

    Or is it better to Manipulate the timing afterwards
    with automation ?
    Am i completely wrong with this thoughts?

    Which is the Professional way to do it ?


    By the way,i wish you All a Great New Year !

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  3. No Avenger

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    What for? To get rid of 0.2bpm? That makes no sense to me.

    I'd say it depends on the recording's timing, if it's good and groovy or not. As long as it has the right feeling, especially when it's not static, I'd take it.
     
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    I want the live feeling ,no one plays exact when you
    play in a Band.
    When i automate the Timing to my Guitar...the Song is breathing.
    especially the Midi Drums!

    Prince- When Doves Cry =126.7
    Eddie Harris-Listen Here = 72.7
    Petula Clark-Downtown =119.4

    Where do the Odd bpms come from ?

    I suppose they Recorded by playing live... together ...!!!
    the Track varies sometimes slower or faster
    The bpm Software takes the Average with my Example 110.2 bpm.
    Imperfection is better then Grid....

    I have heard about a "Groovematch" Option...must investigate
    Posted this under Education.
    just want to learn.
     
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    This could be due to the conversion wav -> mp3.

    Even smaller tempo changes, if made on purpose, can contribute a lot to a song's feeling.
     
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    Thanks No Avenger !!
    Never thought a conversion could do that......
    Groove match could be the option to get more feel.......and practice of course
     
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    Tape machines and variable drum machine tempo (click-track) most likely (fluctuation). Also, many tracks were recorded live without any click. The drummer was the click.
    Nowadays all steps are digital so the BPM values are whole-steps (usually).
     
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    funkytoe Ultrasonic

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    Logic Pro X
    Smart Tempo is a new advanced tempo detection technology that automatically manages tempo across all the content in a project. Smart Tempo gives users the freedom to record naturally without a metronome or click track, yet still have their performance stay in sync with any other tempo-based content or features in a project. It's also easy to combine recordings from different sources with varying tempos, making it a valuable tool for electronic musicians who create remixes and mashup
     
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    funkytoe Ultrasonic

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    I asked someone at Gearsluts he said
    Slight fluctuating tempo is great in my opinion. You can get the tightness of recording to a click, but with that liveliness, if you program a click from a live backtrack indeed.
     
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    This!!! A tiny tick up when you get to the chorus takes it up a notch and lends excitement, if that's what the song calls for. Different verses might be a bit slower to add dramatic effect as well as individual lines.
     
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    :deep_facepalm:
    Well, that would be any way that a person who music is their main income/profession would do it. Hence the word.
     
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    Btw, these are all "exact" timings, unless the song speeds up or slows down!
    Obviously, only Prince's song was with a drum machine, and probably stays constant. But the others may have had a clicktrack of a metronome, I don't know. Yet I doubt every bar of those latter two songs will always clock at the bpms you've mentioned.
    @funkytoe You mentioned "Slight fluctuating tempo is great". You can also record straight ie. to the click, and then automate fluctuations after, in your tempo track.
     
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