Magical delay ms?

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  1. dragonhill

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    34ms
    55ms
    89ms
    144ms
    233ms
    377ms
    610ms
    987ms
    any combination or all of these sound great together. it somehow surrounds instead of overpower the original signal. It's sort of a reverb with delays

    It's an 8 minute noodle opus at various points I'm adding or subtracting single repeats of delay. I had a hair brain idea to try sending the delays to Valhala Shimmer in the middle.
     
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    Sounds Great )

    It sure seems the delay times are exponential

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    remember, Reverb is just a collection of (quiet) delays. You're basically making your own reverb here.
     
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    Still, it's interesting that exponential delay times fit well.
     
  6. dragonhill

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    it's the Fibonacci numbers.
    I should add 8, 13, 21, and some higher ones too
     
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    Interestingen, In Will try these.
    But does it not corelate too the tempo?
     
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    I learned new thing today!
    Thank you dragonhill,
     
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    As long as each number isn't a multiple of the rest u won't get combing artefacts.

    I think good reverbs use prime number-based delays to avoid combing.


    ED: just realized, u may still get combing w/prime no.s, but the prime use is to avoid acidentally reinforcing/duplicating taps
     
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    Revers have diffusion and damp
     
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    Damn, I think I get it now... but they don't need to be from the Fibonacci series, just primes, right?

    A IR based reverb is literally like a multi-purpose delay.
     
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    an convolution engine not just takes time information but also the spectrum into Its calculations.

    But using a IR to create delays might be a bit 'stiff', since you would need time synced IR's if you like to keep things in sync to the song temp :)
     
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    I agree. It's just that for reverbs is easier to understand convolution in time domain like a "multi-delay", or "multi-averager".
    And when used for eq you can picture it better in the frequency domain. At least the magnitude, phase is a nasty difficult thing...
     
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    You can multiply the numbers by 1.618 (golden ratio)

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    just set your delays according to the tempo of the song and you are ready to go :) if they are not synced you will get in trouble
     
  17. dragonhill

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    @Grandy Dotted 8th notes? Edge has been there and we have all done that.

    It's the out of 'sync trouble' that gives these ms combos, magical healing powers. It's also a time machine. Makes you want to noodle for hours forgetting the concept of time.

    In Ableton I usually have all the delays assigned to an exp. pedal to control when I want all or just some of them. Send a sustained note to the max but then quickly decrease for faster passages.
     
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    ratios of your tempo, beats and bar , you can use 2 delays one is triplets one is quaters
     
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    thats one hell of a bad ass sounding guitar! :metal:
     
  20. dragonhill

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    Thanks.
     
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