MacOS Catalina - UPDATED - More Brands Are Issuing Warnings About Not Upgrading. What will you do?

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    Presonus
    As far back at June 17th 2019, just 2 weeks after Apple announced macOS Catalina, Presonus published this warning on their website…

    “Apple’s latest upcoming Operating System Mac OSX 10.15 (Catalina) has started its Public Beta Phase. As Apple's Public Beta progresses, changes will be made to their Beta builds along the way.

    Should you be part of Apple's open public Beta, the versions shared to the public (prior to the actual commercial release) do not fully reflect the final version that is actually approved for commercial usage.

    Until such time as PreSonus has fully reviewed its products after Apple has officially released the commercial version of OSX 10.15, compatibility and usage of OSX 10.15 Beta Version is at your own risk and PreSonus Support will defer you to Apple's Beta Program for further information.”

    Native Instruments
    On September 10th 2019 Native Instruments posted

    “Native Instruments software and hardware products are not supported under macOS 10.15. Please do not install macOS 10.15 if you are using Native Instruments products.

    We are currently conducting systematic tests to offer full compatibility as soon as possible after the official release. Please check this page or your Native Instruments product's specifications page regularly to obtain information on the current operating system requirements.”

    Audient
    One day later on September 11th, 2019 Audient posted this on their Facebook page

    “IMPORTANT NEWS FOR MAC USERS. Right now, macOS Catalina (10.15) is not supported by Audient. Therefore we recommend that our users do not upgrade to macOS Catalina until further notice. We're currently working on it, and will let you know of any changes”.

    Blue Cat Audio
    On September 16th 2019, posted this simple message on their Facebook page…

    “This time of the year again... Checking compatibility with Apple's upcoming version of Mac OS!”

    Although not an explicit ‘do not upgrade’ statement, it is clear that they are just starting the checking and testing process with macOS Catalina. Then on September 30th 2019, Blue Cat Audio posted this on their Dark Side Of The Cat blog…

    “Every year, new Mac OS releases come with compatibility issues, and Catalina will probably be much worse, given the drastic changes:

    No more 32-bit applications: if you are still using 32-bit apps and plug-ins, with Catalina you can forget about it. It will just not load 32-bit only plug-ins or applications.

    Hardened security: Mac OS 10.15 comes with new security rules that will impact pro audio applications quite a bit, and plug-ins even more. Expect random crashes or error messages that will specific to every single host application.

    So it is definitely worth waiting before you upgrade. And if you do upgrade, you should keep an older version of your system if you want to be able to work in the coming weeks: external hard drives are your friends!”

    But Wait There Are More…
    Ableton
    They have updated their MacOS Compatibility with Live knowledgebase article with…

    “Live 10 is not officially compatible with Catalina. However we are currently testing a Catalina-compliant version of Live 10 on Centercode (our beta software platform).

    Live 9 is not compatible with Catalina as it contains certain components which are no longer supported on macOS 10.15. The last officially supported version of macOS with Live 9 is macOS 10.13 (High Sierra). See our dedicated article: Live 9 is not compatible with macOS 10.15 Catalina.”

    Acustica Audio
    Acustica Audio has posted this warning on the Support pages of their website…

    “We are analysing the situation and currently conducting tests to offer full compatibility as soon as possible. However, we strongly advise you do NOT update to macOS Catalina to avoid compatibility issues and/or loss of data.”

    AIR Music Tech
    AIR Music Tech has posted an announcement on their Facebook page saying…

    "IMPORTANT - macOS Catalina is likely to be released in the near future.

    We'll aim to finalise testing and confirm compatibility ASAP, but for now, we strongly recommend waiting if you rely on your setup for professional use.

    While your AIR Music Tech products may be supported at launch we strongly recommend checking with the developers of your chosen DAW's, Plugins and other products to ensure they also support this os prior to updating as all components will need to be supported for correct operation.

    Once information is available we will update our website.”

    Akai Professional
    Akai has posted the following on their Facebook page...

    "IMPORTANT - macOS Catalina is likely to be released in the near future. We'll aim to finalise testing and confirm compatibility ASAP, but for now, we strongly recommend waiting if you rely on your equipment for professional use. While your Akai Professional products may be supported at launch we strongly recommend checking with the developers of your chosen DAW's, Plugins and other products to ensure they also support this os prior to updating. Once information is available we will update our website.”

    Antares
    Antares has posted this announcement on their website...

    "Antares products are currently not supported for use with macOS 10.15 Catalina. At this time we recommend that Antares users do not upgrade to Catalina until we've verified that our products are fully compatible. If your Mac is set to automatically update, please go to System Preferences -> Software Update and uncheck the box labelled ‘Automatically keep my Mac up to date.’ This page will be updated with more information, as we continue to work towards full compatibility with the new macOS.”

    Arturia
    Arturia has posted this announcement on their website...

    "Our virtual instruments and effects are not yet compatible with macOS 10.15 Catalina. To keep working in safe and trouble-free conditions, we strongly advise waiting before updating your OS. Thank you in advance for your understanding. The Arturia team."

    Avid
    Avid has posted a Knowledge Base Article and emailed their users saying…

    “Hello,

    In October, Apple will release a new operating system, macOS 10.15 Catalina.

    To ensure your Avid creative products work the way they should, we recommend waiting to update until we have confirmed compatibility. We’re working closely with Apple to ensure our software is compatible with macOS 10.15. In the meantime check here for more information regarding your Avid products and support for macOS Catalina.

    Thank you,

    The Avid Team”

    Boss
    Boss has posted this announcement on their website

    “If you are using a Roland product via a USB connection to a Mac computer, please refrain from upgrading to macOS Catalina (macOS 10.15), which is about to be newly released. Compatibility with macOS Catalina (macOS 10.15) will be verified and announced after the release of macOS Catalina (macOS 10.15). They also list a range of products that they expect not to work with Catalina.”

    Denon DJ
    Denon DJ has posted this warning on their Denon DJ Forum

    “Mac users: Denon DJ products and accompanying software are not yet compatible with macOS Catalina. Due to this incompatibility, we ask all customers to wait until we announce official support before upgrading to macOS 10.15. We will inform you when it is safe to upgrade.”

    Eventide

    Eventide has emailed this statement to their users...

    "Apple expected to release macOS Catalina in October. Eventide plugins are currently not supported under macOS 10.15. We are conducting systematic tests and there are several known issues that we are working on resolving. Please do not install macOS 10.15 if you are using Eventide plugins. Visit our Catalina Forum thread regularly to obtain up-to-date information on macOS 10.15 support.”

    FabFilter
    FabFilter has posted this on their User Forum

    “macOS Catalina is still in a beta phase, so we're waiting on the official release. Of course, we will make our plug-ins compatible with Catalina when it is time!”

    FXpansion
    FXpansion has posted this warning on their User Forum

    “Given the upcoming release of macOS 10.15 Catalina, we’ve been performing in-house testing to establish the compatibility of our existing software with this macOS update. Testing so far has revealed that changes introduced in macOS 10.15 may affect the compatibility of FXpansion software. We recommend that you wait to update to macOS 10.15 Catalina until we’ve ensured compatibility, and given the all-clear that you’re safe to update. We’ll let you know once we’ve ensured that all existing products are no longer affected and that it's safe to update. We'd like to apologise for any inconvenience this may cause, and thank you for your understanding and co-operation.”

    Icon Pro Audio
    Icon ProAudio has posted this warning on the Latest News section of their website…

    “The next version of macOS (10.15 Catalina) is due to release this month. Apple has made several changes in this new Operating System version that may affect the performance of many manufacturers’ applications and hardware devices. This is also true of iCON Pro Audio products. We are working diligently to ensure full compatibility with macOS Catalina, but at the moment, WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU WAIT BEFORE UPGRADING YOUR MAC TO macOS CATALINA.

    If you have iCON software installed or are using an iCON plug and play hardware device on a Mac, we strongly suggest that you do not upgrade your Mac to OS 10.15 Catalina at this time.

    iCon Pro Audio Software products affected include all iMap and ProDriveIII applications. Hardware devices affected are all iCON audio interfaces, control surfaces, keyboards and pad controllers.

    We want to make sure that you will have the best experience possible when using our products, so we are working right now, and taking the time needed to get this right. Once we have achieved full support with Mac OS 10.15 Catalina, we would like to let you know.”

    iZotope
    iZotope have posted this on their website...

    "We recommend that iZotope users continue to remain on current macOS versions until further notice as iZotope Products are not yet qualified for use in macOS Catalina (Version 10.15). More information will be available following the release of the new macOS. Please check back here for updates."

    Korg
    Korg has posted this announcement on their news section of their website

    “Dear KORG users, We are excited about macOS Catalina and iOS13 from Apple Inc. and we are currently testing all KORG products to be compliant for these OS and will confirm compliance dates for each KORG product as soon as possible. Now, some products do not work with these OS. Until we have confirmed compliance, we advise waiting until all devices and applications have been tested before updating to these OS.”

    Kuassa
    Kuassa has posted this warning on KVR...

    "A Warning Before You Upgrade Mac OS Catalina. Apple will release its new operating system update for macOS 10.15 (Codename Catalina) next week. To ensure your Kuassa products work the way they should, we strongly recommend waiting before you update. Historically, previous Mac OS updates may contain changes in how file location management works, thus might cause many software (not only our products) to not working as they should. We are working to ensure that our products are fully compatible with macOS 10.15. So please wait until further notice."

    Numark
    Numark has posted this warning on their Twitter Feed

    “STOP!! Mac users: Numark products and accompanying software are not yet compatible with macOS Catalina. Due to this incompatibility, we ask all customers to WAIT until we announce official support before upgrading to macOS 10.15. We will inform you when it is safe to upgrade.”

    Pioneer DJ
    Pioneer DJ has posted this announcement on their User Forum

    “Please refrain from using macOS Catalina 10.15 beta. It has been reported that our driver software for some controllers can’t be installed on Apple Inc.’s operating system macOS Catalina 10.15 beta. We will investigate the compatibility of the official version of macOS Catalina 10.15 with rekordbox and our hardware. Please note that we do not guarantee the operation of rekordbox and hardware products in the beta version of macOS Catalina 10.15.”

    Plugin Alliance
    Plugin Alliance has posted this warning in the Support section of their website.

    “As many of you may know Apple most likely releases their new OS Catalina the end of September. We are currently doing testing to make sure that Calatlina will be compatible with all of our plugins. We are actively doing this as fast as we can.

    To avoid any disruption with work you may have ongoing, it is highly suggested by our technicians that you do not update to Catalina until we announce that everything is functioning as it should. Therefore you would avoid having to roll back to your previous OS.

    We will announce the compatibility through our site and Newsletter”

    Positive Grid
    Positive Grid has posted this warning in their Help Center

    “As you may already know, Apple will soon release macOS Catalina (10.15) sometime in October.

    To ensure that all your Positive Grid products work the way they should, we strongly urge you to put upgrading to macOS Catalina on hold for the time being.

    It is our goal to add macOS Catalina to our list of compatible operating systems for all our products. In the meantime, please remain with your current macOS version until an official announcement has been made.

    Further updates will be provided here when available.”

    Rob Papen
    Rob Papen has posted this on their Facebook page...

    "Mac users with Rob Papen software. Please don't upgrade to OSX-10.15 Catalina. Our software is not yet compatible with this new OS from Apple"

    Rogue Amoeba
    Rogue Amoeba has posted this announcement on the Status page of their website…

    “We're working on updates to all of our software for Apple's forthcoming MacOS 10.15 (Catalina) update. Several updates are already available, so if you're using Catalina, be sure to check the table below to see which of our software will run on it. We still urge our customers to stick with a fully supported version of MacOS for the time being.”

    They then have a list of the provisional supported status of their software products.

    Roland
    Roland has posted this announcement on their website

    “If you are using a Roland product via a USB connection to a Mac computer, please refrain from upgrading to macOS Catalina (macOS 10.15), which is about to be newly released.

    Compatibility with macOS Catalina (macOS 10.15) will be verified and announced after the release of macOS Catalina (macOS 10.15).

    The following applications that Roland provides might possibly fail to work under macOS Catalina (macOS 10.15).

    If you're currently using any of the applications below, please refrain from upgrading to macOS Catalina (macOS 10.15).

    With regard to the operation of the respective applications and any future response, we will conduct verification after macOS Catalina (macOS 10.15) is released, and announce our findings here.”

    ROLI
    ROLI has posted this announcement in the Support section of their website

    “Given the upcoming release of macOS 10.15 Catalina, we’ve been performing in-house testing to establish the compatibility of our existing software with this macOS update.

    Testing so far has revealed that changes introduced in macOS 10.15 may affect the compatibility of ROLI software. We recommend that you wait to update to macOS 10.15 Catalina until we’ve ensured compatibility, and given the all-clear that you’re safe to update.

    We’ll let you know once we’ve ensured that all existing products are no longer affected and that it's safe to update.

    We'd like to apologise for any inconvenience this may cause, and thank you for your understanding and co-operation.”

    Serato
    Serato has made a number of announcements about their range of products.

    For Pitch 'n Time Pro, Pitch 'n Time LE, Sample, Studio, DJ Pro and DJ Lite the message is the same…

    “macOS 10.15 Catalina is currently in BETA, but is not yet supported for use”

    However, a number of their products will be affected by Apple’s change from iTunes to Apple Music which will happen when macOS Catalina is launched. Serato has posted this announcement regarding Apple Music…

    “We are currently looking into our iTunes integration with the developer BETA of macOS 10.15 Catalina. We will continue to update users as we know more.”

    Slate Digital
    Slate Digital has posted this on their Support Forum

    “With the upcoming release of macOS Catalina, we urge all of our customers to wait before updating. We are currently in the process of running tests to offer compatibility after the official release and should have more information available in the near future. Please reference this page in regards to Catalina compatibility or reach out to support for the latest news.”

    Solid State Logic
    Its a mixed bag with SSL regarding macOS Catalina support. This is what they have currently posted in their Help Centre

    "The V6 release of SSL Native plug-ins is compatible with Mac OS Catalina.

    Nucleus2 Dante Soundcard - Compatibility is dependent on Dante Controller and Dante Virtual Soundcard software by Audinate.

    Nucleus2, Matrix2, AWS, Duality - NOT COMPATIBLE – SSL Remote programs for these products are currently 32 bit and will not work with Catalina. Please refrain from updating your system until further notice.

    Remote/ipMIDI/Delta control functionality - You must be running ipMIDI V1.7 for compatibility with Mac OS Catalina. This is available from the downloads section in the My Products page in your SSL account, your console will still connect with the same settings as before.

    The latest versions of Delta Control plugins are compatible with Mac OS Catalina.

    V2.1/33 of the Sigma Remote application is compatible with Mac OS Catalina.

    Sigma – NOT COMPATIBLE - While it would seem that the Sigma Remote application does work in Catalina the Sigma itself is not recognised as a network device and currently will not communicate with Catalina. You can use the Sigma if you are connected to a network switch.

    Compatibility for Delta Link depends on Pro Tools hardware and software and not the operating system. Please note that for Pro Tools HD 12.6 or higher, you will require a DigiLink I/O iLok license and the latest V2.00 Delta Link firmware."

    Sound Radix
    On October 8th 2019, Sound Radix posted this updated statement on their Facebook page

    “IMPORTANT: 32 LIVES Users :

    As you may already know, Apple has dropped support for 32-bit applications and plug-ins in Catalina; therefore, 32 Lives is not compatible with macOS Catalina. However, we will continue to sell it for those using earlier macOS versions. If you wish to continue using 32 Lives please continue to use macOS Mojave or earlier OS versions.

    Sound Radix And macOS Catalina :

    We are working with Apple to complete test our plug-ins for use with macOS Catalina. Once testing is complete and we know there will be no disruption to your creative workflow, we will notify all our radical users. Until then, please continue to use macOS Mojave or earlier.”

    Soundtoys
    Soundtoys have emailed their users saying…

    Apple is expected to release macOS 10.15 Catalina in October.

    We strongly recommend waiting to upgrade to this OS until we've had a chance to fully qualify our software with this release and issue any necessary updates, which we will do as soon as possible.

    Sounds In Sync
    All the apps from Sounds In Sync like EdiLoad, EdiPrompt etc. are 32-bit apps and currently will not work in macOS Catalina. Sounds In Sync is working on 64-bit versions of all their apps and have released their first 64-bit app EdiCue V3.

    Steinberg
    In response to a question in their User Forum about Dorico, Daniel from Steinberg posted this...

    "I would not recommend using Dorico with beta versions of macOS (or indeed with "Insider" versions of Windows). With particular regard to macOS 10.15 Catalina, there are further new security features in the operating system this year that could conceivably cause problems with the inter-process communication that Dorico relies upon for licensing and the audio engine. Until the various teams within Steinberg have been able to test our products properly against the new operating system, I would suggest staying clear of the new operating system if the correct operation of your software is important to you. We will provide detailed compatibility information for macOS 10.15 Catalina when it is released, but not before."

    Universal Audio
    Universal Audio have emailed this statement and posted an article on their website…

    “As you may know, Apple released macOS 10.15 Catalina today.

    Please note — UAD and UA Audio Interface software cannot be installed on macOS Catalina.

    We recommend that you wait until UAD software compatibility with Catalina is announced before updating to this new operating system.

    Important: To prevent macOS from updating automatically, uncheck the “Install macOS updates” option in System Preferences > Software Update > Advanced options.

    UAD compatibility with Catalina is being tested now and complete Catalina qualification will be released in a future UAD software update. For more information and the latest Catalina news, please read the article posted in our Knowledge Base.

    Waves
    Waves have sent the following in an email to all their users…

    “During October, Apple will release a new operating system, macOS 10.15 Catalina.

    We are working closely with Apple to ensure that our software is compatible and that your Waves plugins and applications will work properly.

    However, until we confirm full compatibility, we strongly recommend you remain on your current version of macOS.

    In the meantime, please note:

    • Waves plugins v10 will open in macOS 10.15 Catalina but are not officially supported.

    • Waves’ eMotion LV1 mixer v10 will open in macOS 10.15 Catalina but is not officially supported.

    • Other Waves applications (MultiRack, StudioRack, SoundGrid Studio) are not supported and will not open in macOS 10.15 Catalina.
    We will update you very soon about macOS 10.15 Catalina compatibility developments.”
     
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    There is already a thread about this in studio one section
     
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    This is not limted to studio one, this is covers many other companies. Compare and contrast the two and you'd realize there is a vast difference between that post and this.
     
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    I'm sticking with XP, that's what I am doing.
     
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    Wow even worse than major updates from Windows.
     
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    You are right
     
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    Thanks for compiling that list @pflame , it is a lot longer then one would hope.... I'm used to seeing this with previous osx releases, but Catalina seems to be a more seismic shift that is gonna cause a lot more problems for a lot of us then others

    .... especially with dropped support for systems a lot of still use like the cheese graters etc which have been (with upgrades)...

    hell, one of mine has been going for over 10 years now just fine. But now is EOL with Catalina. Shouldn't complain THAT much as 10 years is a good run, but it has been able to handle everything I've thrown at it, and the ONLY reason I will have to eventually update is these damn Tim Cook yearly updates that I do NOT need as I could care less for "notifications" and crap like that which outside of perhaps patching some security holes and whatnot, the updates have not brought me anything I really need. I would have stayed on Snow Leopard if I could as was rock stable, same with Mt Lion. Using Mavericks on that machine now, but gonna have to go quad boot with Sierra soon as Native Instruments etc are forcing my hand... argh.. :suicide:
     
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    en Français, on appelle ça une hécatombe :woot:

    plus ça va, plus j'envisage une machine dédiée à la musique, pas d'updates d'OS tous les 6 mois, pas d'iLock de m.... et iPad pour tout le reste.
    pas vraiment besoin d'autre chose.
    entre leur mises à jours et les adaptateurs divers pour les new USB, this, that.. :snuffy: ( sans compter les youtubeurs qui te font maintenant du vlog en 8K alors qu'on en a rien à .. ) ( grumpy mood )

    great post @pflame :mates:
     
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    Imma let y'all finish, but the more concerning issue came Ina different thread ABOt mlwre. Now carry on with your usually scheduled panic. All of this will probably be solved by a bored and chosen1.
     
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    Fudsey Plange Audiosexual

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    Klytus I'm bored. What group of computer users do you have for me today?
     
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    no nVidia drivers = no upgrade, staying on 10.13.6 High Sierra
     
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    Until the final release also our standalone apps worked fine but with the final release they stopped working, if you use Key Detector, Guitar Kit or HATEFISh RhyGenerator in app mode (not hosted by a DAW) please don't upgrade right now as we need to issue updated versions.

    The overall compatibility situation is a little confused with this update (our apps had no issues with the beta but don't work with the final release for example) and this is due to the new security system called "notarization" that Apple has decided to adopt.

    Starting with Catalina every app has to be pre-approved by Apple before being able to run, they said that this was true for apps built after June 1st 2019, but since our Key Detector and Guitar Kit don't work (and they have been build earlier than that date) I think that statement is not true.

    Also plugins should not be affected by the security constrain for the moment, unless the DAW manufacturer declares that the DAW wants to run with "hardened runtime", so far non of the DAW we know use that feature (Studio One had a beta with hardened runtime but they removed it later).
     
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    I ran this free tool to find all the 32 bit apps on the mac:
    https://www.stclairsoft.com/Go64/index.html
    and there are a lot of 32 bit plugin apps all over the place. I uninstalled a lot of old 32 bit apps that this free app found, but there are some I can't live without yet and I'll have to wait it out a bit.
     
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    I see no advantage over Mojave, only downsides, yet
     
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    Steve Jobs, please come back to this world even if in the shape of a sheep. We are missing you.

    This would never happen with him. All this move was so badly done
     
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    We need to think more practically in the modern time of AI
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    great info , i have lucky not upgrading it yet fuck apple team !
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    If [or when?] Windows was getting rid of 32-bit support code base, it would be even worse, though.

    It's interesting to notice that whilst Linux is getting better and better for music, Windows and MacOS couldn't care less about it, and lots of other things. Real totalitarian OSes.
     
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    Definitely sticking with Mojave until I hear that there's more support for Catalina from the developers I use (mainly Native Instruments, Ableton, and iZotope)
     
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    caution hybrid topic win guy comment...
    i couldnt care less bout such updates...oohh win13 is out i must update instantly ..:dunno:
    :rofl:

    this thread is kind funny look at all that devs warnings..wtf..but ppl...update..update...i must update.. :mad:

    and what a crazy fact that it is this way like...:thumbsdown:
     
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