Lift hook from part , how ?

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  1. BenniTheBlockbuster

    BenniTheBlockbuster Producer

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    I have a problem, in most of my beats I use the same melody in the chorus as in the parts .
    The only thing that happens is that a second, or third instrument comes in and plays a different melody so that the chorus is lifted from the part.
    Unfortunately, it happens to me again and again that by adding another melody the whole chorus is very muddy, I mean not from the mix but simply that too many melodies are played and these together then no longer sound good, simply because it is too much at once.

    Do you have other possibility and tips how to make the chorus stand out from the parts?

    Mainly I produce hip hop beats

    Love greetings
     
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  3. Olymoon

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    If you want to keep the same Melody, try to harmonize it with fifth and third and seventh, so it could be the same but feel different.
    Or you could change the tonality in the chorus, so different thing could happen to that melody:
    If it's the same but works with that new chord /tonality, if will feel different.
    It could be the same melody but transposed to this new tonality.
    or why not, a different melody on that new chord / tonality.

    It sound simple, but many composers do this simply because it works.

    A very simple example:
    Play a C in the bass , and play a simple melody up, with these notes: C, Eb, G, Bb
    Now go on playing the same melody, but change the bass to an F,
    Continue playing this melody and change the bass to G , or you can even try with a Ab
    As you can hear, the melody is the same, but does not feel the same.

    I'm only speaking about harmony, as I suppose that you already tried to change the sound, which is another old trick.

    I hope this help, but an example of your track may allow to give better advice.
     
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    For simplicity, let's call it Av (mel A in verse), Ac (in chorus) and B.
    You could try this:
    - Av: either pretty mono in center or wide and clear stereo, not too bright
    - Ac: pan, width the other way around, less bright, less loud, maybe a softer sound (pad-like), you could even drop some notes and play the others longer
    - B: pan, width, level like Av and even brighter

    Purpose/goal, this would swap the (perceived) main melody from A to B.
     
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  5. Backtired

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    save the main melody, the most powerful/hummable one, for the main parts of the song.
    then in other sections you can use the same melody but with less power (less jumps, more steps, less notes, etc whatever fits)
    there are thousand of tricks like above veterans have said, don't be afraid to change and try something new. especially when dealing with melodies... which are a delicate subject i see
     
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    You could keep the rhythm of the melody but transpose it diatonically. Meaning, you move it up or down a step or two while keeping to the scale notes. So for instance, in C: C,D,E,F,G,B might become D,E,F,G,A,C; a new melody that's very closely related to the old one. Because the notes have changed, the chords will probably need to change too. So for this melody, C, G7 might become Dm, Am7. This doesn't have to be done exactly, but it's a starting point.
     
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  7. BenniTheBlockbuster

    BenniTheBlockbuster Producer

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    Thank you for all your helpful answers .
    I will try the different things .

    Love , this is the best forum !
     
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