That is most true for me. Because every time i heard a sample i heard somewhere, i can easily identify it. But that doesn't prevent me from taking a listen to all the other sounds.

 

@Majestic you put this here and we've shared some very intimate details with you... What are your thoughts since you posted this?

 

nah my old CS-80 Prophet 5 Arp 2600 Arp Odyssey Minimoog String machine Jupiter 8 ALL sounded better than the plugs...

but the NOt going out of tune. the Total Recall of presets. And Automation in the DAW more than makes up for the diff.

We used to have to manually change setting on say a 2600 Live on stage in front of say 18,000 peeps. before the nest Chorus or Vers or Whatever... Not for the faint of heart! hahahah

 

I guess you should conduct a test.. you play the same sound 3 times and pretend that it is created by three different synths.. if you are right , people should be biased picking the best sounding synth according to their synth preference.. which might be the case i would suspect.

 

@Jazz-N-Stuff Since we are in it "arguing thread" how about explaining your disagreement with these:

I am curious as to what you have to say to contradict what I stated.

 

I guess it will come down to processing power.. if you have enough processing power and you put in enough effort you will be able to emulate any hardware synth or any piece of equipment in a way that there is no noticeable difference between the original and the emulation. If you record it into a daw it becomes bits and bytes regardless of how analog it has been to begin with and because of that the emulation sooner or later will be able to recreate it in full.

 

The question is not how to create an emulation of a given vintage synth, the question is whether the sonic quality of the sound depends on its origin (source) or not?

 

I guess I should've removed "Let's Argue!" from the title.

Personally, I think hardware and analog supremacy is a bunch of hype. I think software can do everything analog can do and more. Nearly every argument for the sonic superiority of analog is exaggerated or just plainly not true.

At the end of the day, I like "warm and analog" and "cold and digital" and everything in between. I don't care where the sound comes from, as long as it's good.

Also, check out this genius from KVR:

Source: https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7634952#p7634952

 

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True but not every software/DSP has been coded similary, therefore, although they can do the same, that does not mean that they will sound the same. The TAL sampler sounds like the Emulator II. Right? Give me a freaking break. How many times do we hear complaints about emulations that sound like shit? And we are not even talking about a comparison with the original hardware. They simply sound like shit. We have a thread here where we listed the worst vsts. Some of those entries belong to hardware emulations. Moreover,look at Behringer's recent success. The reissues by Korg, Moog. The offerings of Dave Smith, etc. Do you really think that people today would still be buying these hardware synths for10, 20 times more than their software emulations if the software offerings were as good as the originals?

 

With hardware analog synths you don't need 25 layers to get a deep pad sound or a thick bass.

Yes the plugins do sound "sterile",too perfect in my opinion.That's what people are referring to when they say "cold and digital".Plugins are better than what they were 20 years ago but they are not still as good as (and often old) hardware analog synths.But digital hardware synths just sound like plugins.
Like the Pirate said,there is a reason if some vintage synths cost a fortune,it's not just all about "snobism".When I'm listening some old music like Vangelis or Jarre made with CS80 or OB8 and afterwards modern music with plugins,I'm just crying...Sound quality of synthesizers has severely dropped during the last 40 years.(But of course modern music is louder and cleaner)

 

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But some plugins sound good in another category...Like FM,wavetable,granular...I use UVI falcon and I'm often blown away by its sonic qualities.

 

I prefer vintage hardware synths as it is the only thing that differentiates me from all the other talentless hacks.

 

What a cocksucker

 

In pictures?

 

Yes, pasted on cardboard models.

 

I think the most important part is usability
second is versatility
quality is third

Just because of a simple fact.
If I can't change a simple thing like ADSR the synth is doomed to be never used by me.
And if I want a Wavetable and only got analog oscillators it's not versatility enough, so back to two doomed to be never used.

And third if a synth doesn't reach the quality needed, its most of the time the users fault.
By the way is there really a synth so bad in quality that it will never be used ?
Everyone got different liking some love and some hate stuff.

 

What do you do first when go to a shop? Grab the manual or ask the stuff what this slider is for or that knob, or do you grab the instrument, play it and listen how it sounds?

 

The combined weight of electrons has to be on the order of 100000000000000000000000000000000 electrons to be as fat as me!

 

Hmmmm, well it depends...
If you are in a womb (also called a fetus), you never know
It could be that the person carrying that fetus is only sitting at an desk, or you got the one that is always partying.
I think that makes a quiet different output at te end

 

Funny thing even
before I go to a shop I read the manual and data sheets of the thing I want to buy (If it's price is above 50€)
The Stuff is most of the time really unqualified (Sadly they are more salesmen than musicians.) Source :experience in some shops in FFM.

Some little anecdote: I was in a music store and asked if a special Masterkeyboard got a MIDI in. The salesman said : Yes it got MIDI.
I looked on the packaging. It got two MIDI out but no MIDI in.
(It was a one cheap so no big research before)


Maybe it's to my digital native attitude.
Or just the fact that stores a bad place to try stuff. (Too many People and other sounds in combination with an untreated room.)
So thanks to that, most of the time I don't go to stores.

With shops like Thomann I can try the stuff I want to buy at home. If I don't like it I'll send it back. (And that’s another problem German law is easy on the online shops but hard on the Offline shops.) There is no guaranty that you can give back something that you bought in an offline store.
(happened to my girlfriend, she bought some shoes, after 1-2 weeks she disliked them because of the feeling on her feet .
The store first refused to take them back and then only for a voucher)

 

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