To Catalyst and One Reason:

I agree with both of you.

I live in Israel and of course find the palestinian death toll extremely unfortunate especially since the majority of these persons are civilians, not terrorist.

The big problem is that Hamas doesn't hesitate to hide behind civilians and fire missiles to Israel from various places such as schools, hospital or mosques to name but a few.

I don't want to start a political debate to know who is wrong but I believe that israelis could live peacefully with the palestinians if the Hamas organization wasn't ruling the Gaza territories. My 2 cents.

 

Well sir...I appreciate you for not having prejudices but as long as israel is commiting genocide to the people over there in gaza...Hamas is necessary..Not everything they accuse the Palestinians off is true..And please dont accuse the resistance group "Hamas" for hiding behind civillians thats a disgusting lie...Their protecting the civillians not hiding behind them nor using children as human shields...those are lies..Yes they do reside in various places in Palestine but where do you want them to stay at? At a Post? So you guys can bomb the whole thing? Whatever their doing you dont kill civillians...and thats what they are doing with these socalled "precision" attacks....Oh yes and i dont consider newswebsites or stations like Haaretz or CNN as valuable...so if you wanna use sources use independent sources not mainstream stuff

 

Damn... It's so outrageous for those Hamas guys to use civilians as cover and diversion. They're so ruthless...(if it's true, of course)
Maybe over the years they will fall, but they waste so much lives without achieving anything good. I never understood Hamas goals... because we all know that the other "sides" will always have much more military power and the clash will only bring up casualties and nothing good(and they will fall over the years anyway). Trying to prove that you're a fighter for your land, that doesn't call you a fight as long as you take nasty benefits on the innocent, using their lives in your filthy advantage.
They prove only that they're cowards murderers and nothging more.

 

What i don't understand is:

HOW DO YOU SEEK FOR VICTORY WHEN THERE'S MOST OF THE NATIONS AGAINST YOU? (because even if they die, not many people will recognize their "efforts" and honour)

Life wasting LVL: 999

 

How could THEY protect the civilians when THEY represents the TARGET?...
The only way they could protect the civilians is ONLY to stay FAR AWAY FROM THEM so they can cary the "target" as far as possible from civilians.
Staying close to civilians that means they bring death and slaughter to the peeps they're supposed to protect.

 

What you are stating is true, but in this case they should choose not to bomb that area where they are supposed to reside at imo. Yes let's say there are 30 military wing members over there is that a excuse to bomb a area as large as, lets say a area wich is as large as a small town in Italy?. Knowing your gonna kill lots of civillians and children? Well, supposedly their blood is not that valuable...Why wont they infiltrate like real men? They got the best technology in the world anyway.

 

What I don't get is how so many people can digest a blatant Israeli propaganda machine's lie that Hamas would use their people as a human shield. Nobody does that. <-- fullstop

You just don't do that, especially to your own people. Lies, lies, lies. Those kind of lies have been used so many times before by conquerors to wipe out the civilians, in other words perform "ethnic cleansing". Just read some history.

 

Thank you SineWave...This human child shield thing never even got proven! and their already using this myth as a legit excuse..Thats zionism for ya..ive seen this picture of a supposed hamas "terrorist" with a star of david tattoo on his chest..He left his shirt open too much..This is why (like Xsize said) You always should be sceptical of these news"facts" their telling you

 

look at this

http://vimeo.com/50531435

 

I don't praise Israel either. I totally agree with you that they should've infiltrate or something. If we take in consideration not only that Israel is more powerful than Palestine but they also have tons of support from their ally countries, they could've easely anihilate their so called targets in just a matter of short time.
They seem to seek something else... And about the "race cleansing" thing, aren't Israel and Palestine alike? It is funny to find out that they wanna clean out eachother.
Once upon a time, back in the far history, Persia were a great empire. Now they just represent the chaos area with the biggest slaughter number of today.

 

Oh really....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXZEzbT0H1s

Just some food for thought about what we are shown because "it matters" to someone`s agenda, and what we are not shown because that "matters" to "their" agenda. We have the iNet so we can educate and inform ourselves instead of being force fed by the MSM.

The Daily Telegraph

Be blessed.

 

Yes, but you know that the super power of the earth will need peasants and poor people too, who is going to buy their products, work their products or distribute their products if they get rid of the "entry-level" people?

Some people are comfy working their ass in their office and they would never touch a spade in their whole life.
There's is no strong without the week, as there is no winner without a loser. If we would be all winners in this life, then we actually couldn't acclaim ourselves being winners because there's no loser to compare ourselves to.

 

Years ago I went to Israel. Before that journey I thought I had my opinion clear about what was goin on over there, but my time there really changed a lot of things for me.
Not only did my view of this conflict become very different, it also changed the way I look at the whole world and humanity. Some stuff that I thought was clear became blurred and vice versa.

Ever since then each time I hear about this situation bursting back into flames I can only think that it will never be resolved.
There are too many major forces with hidden agendas involved who don't give a crap about the cost of human lives, and way too many fanatics on the ground on both sides ready and willing to play that game. This will go on forever unless sth really crazy happens and ppl are fooled into another full scale war, which would probly not just be played out in the Middle East.

 

At this point a lot of it is intertwined with hate because let's be reasonable here: they are not just calling for a homeland but the end of Israel period. They don't even make a secret of it, they say it all the time which is the completely insane thing. That's why the one country solution would never work. Two might but again Israel is a tiny country about half the size of Illinois...of course they're going to need to eventually expand. I think that after so much bad history it would be practically impossible for both sides to just forget the past so it doesn't look too good.

I wouldn't say that religion is completely irrelevant because there are maniacs that use it to get people to kill other people but it's not the main driving force. The idiotic thing is that if it were about religion we could bring up the fact that both Christianity and Islam grew out of Judaism not to mention that Jesus Christ (if you believe in him which I don't) was Jewish so the whole premise is entirely ludicrous. Reminds me of that saying: When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

 

You think i did not see that video? People are willing to sacrifice themselves in order to protect their homes that's how brave they are. You think Hamas are forcing them to do so? This is their own initiative if you ask me and if this where true...The Palestinians love their children as no other and they would never sacrifice them. This video came from a JIDF channel and is uploaded with the motive to oppose the people against the Palestinians. The fact that the Palestinians are willing to go this far should disgus people even more towards the Israeli opression...

 

People are always willing to go far for their hate. How far someone is willing to go has nothing to do with whether they are justified in doing so. In fact I would wager that those that really create change find a balance in how far they'll go such as Martin Luther King for example. Won equal rights without hurting a fly. That is really the only way to create lasting change not bombs, not guns. The Israelis also love their children and don't want for example a tunnel leading near a place where they live that terrorists have dug to come through and kill people.

 

The world will never change until people understand that there is no us and them...there is only us. Everything we do, we do only to ourselves and our children and our children's children. I honestly have said all I was going to say about this conflict, my statements were only made to bring a little balance to the discussion and point out some things that I think are important to remember. I have enough problems in my own country and in my own life that I have a hell of a lot greater measure of control over.

 

Catalyst these people dont have a choice the Zionists will attack them wether a "terrorist" attacked them or not. You're talking as if there is a "Fair" warfare going on. You mentioned creating change without hurting a fly, How are they able to do so when there's chaos from left to right?? When the neighbours control everything in your country and what you do...And be able to unjustfully arrest you and do whatever after..with the US condemning it aswell. What Hamas is doing right now is protecting their own people not committing "terrorism"...Ive seen a video (That couldve been made by zionists) where al-qassam millitary went up a tunnel and killed 10 israeli soldiers...That is the way the 2 country's have to fight eachother and not bring children and civillians along with it...Plus there havent even been any children that died during this conflict in Israel..And this bombing isnt the way to fight back this tunnel accusation

 

Yeah that might be a valid point if I didn't just read an article where an Israeli general couldn't understand why one of the tunnels led to an area where there are no military bases, just women and children. If there weren't tunnels leading into their country right now they wouldn't be trying to destroy said tunnels. You act like Israelis get their rocks off by killing people. It's not the Israelis that openly call for the genocide of a people so try looking at it clearly. I actually know people that live in Israel and if you're a Palestinian and you make a wrong turn you might get searched, if you're an Israeli and you make a wrong turn you're dead.

I'm responding to statements people made, what's the difference if you made it directly to me? Would you have brought it up if I made a statement that supported your view? I'm just being real here and not trying to offend anyone. I can't state my viewpoint if people will take it as some kind of personal attack. I'm just a man of logic and reason so I brought it to the discussion.

 

If you're Palestinian and you make the wrong turn you might get spitted on, get drinks thrown in your face, get accused of being involved with terrorism and thrown in israeli dungeons. Yeah if you're an israeli and you make the wrong turn you're dead but what did you expect lol? And if the israeli's dont call for genocide then this Woman from a political party that just called up for genocide on the Palestinians must be fake... As far as these tunnels leading up to civilized area's I havent seen those myself and it could be a brilliant way to make an excuse to go on with the genocidal bombings. I mean Zionists are known for these tacticts..A Zionist openly admitted into Israel funding ISIS in the past aswell. Please dont think im a Israel hater Catalyst i dont have nothing against Israeli's or Jews. But there is a nasty game going on right now. And nothing false would suprise me.