is there something like soothe, gulfos, tote daw available as ZERO LATENCY Plugin ?

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  1. Moonlight

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    is there something like soothe, gulfos, teote,dseq available as ZERO LATENCY Plugin?
     
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    Gullfoss has a live-version with like 2ms latency if that's not too much for your purposes
     
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    hm TEOTE is zero latency, but it doent help much supressing harsh resonances.

    I am just looking for a automatic de-harsher :)
     
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    Have you tried McDSP's SA2?
     
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    Unfortunately, sonic contributions of inexpensive gear often include harshness in the high frequencies due to cheap capacitors and poor headroom as well as a lack of the good kind of harmonic enhancement due to transformerless designs and, again, poor headroom. Simply compare almost any of the inexpensive modern U87 “clones” to a 1970s Neumann U87 and you will quickly understand that the 10% advantage in audio quality of the real U87 is well worth the extra zero in the price tag. Like everything, the last 10% of audio quality is hard (and expensive) to achieve.

    Thankfully, plugins provide tools we can use to help tame any harshness: de-essers, dynamic EQs, automatic resonance removal software, and even some saturation plugins. The latter type of processor can be used to soften harsh transients and achieve that sought-after “analog sound.”

    Brainworx - Refinement
    Brainworx calls their Refinement plugin a “dynamic peak band EQ”. Its controls revolve around the big “Damping” knob. Turn the knob and decide whether you like the sound. The “soft” and “hard” options control the shape of the EQ filters. The plugin also features the all-important “solo filter” button. If sounds lack presence, turn the “Presence” knob to reintroduce some sparkle. If you want to add some saturation to make the sound warmer, use the like-named knob.

    Fabfilter - Pro-Q3
    It’s a known fact that there is a reciprocal relationship between the perception of low and high frequencies. While it may seem obvious at first to simply raise frequencies that seem shy or lower frequencies that seem to loud, performing the reciprocal movement will sometimes create a more pleasant and natural tilt. For instance, dip the lows and the whole song will sound brighter. The opposite stands true as well: if the song sounds harsh you may lower the highs, but also try boosting the low mids a bit.

    Use a medium-to-wide Q and take care so sure you don’t introduce any boxiness.
    This technique works best on acoustic genres such as jazz, folk or classical.

    When you mouse over a EQ point, the parameters for that band pop up and if you click on the headphone icon, that band will solo. You can then sweep the frequency and raise or lower the gain while soloed. Band-pass filters solo the frequencies that are cut by the filter, which makes more sense when setting the EQ.
     
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    not yet I didnt even know it, let me look it up
     
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    Zynaptiq unfilter, great results. Btw can't remember the latency. Almost all of that kind plugins are not zero-latency, at least what I've seen.
     
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    FAQ: UNVEIL
    Does UNVEIL Introduce Latency? How Much?

    UNVEIL needs to look at a certain amount of signal to be able to discern what parts are reverb and which aren't - so yes, it introduces 4096 samples of latency. These will of course be compensated for on playback by hosts that support latency compensation, but can not be compensated for when a live input is being processed.

    For live TV broadcast applications, chances are that your video streams are being post-processed anyway, which typically introduces similar or larger amounts of latency, so you may be able to sync audio to picture by adapting your overall audio latency compensation.

    www.zynaptiq.com/unveil/unveil-faq/cc35eae2ae024e23f1b45ee5872ebdfb/?tx_irfaq_pi1%5BshowUid%5D=19
     
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    TDR Nova has a latency of 4.2ms (211spls) in fixed latency mode (worst case scenario/longest latency). When not using fixed latency mode it can go down to 3.7ms or so. Nova doesn't work like Soothe2 though, it's more of a dynamic EQ that has a learn (called Smart Ops) function that can detect resonant frequencies and suggest band parameters for you. It doesn't update the parameters continuously like Soothe. If you really need it to be zero latency you can use the Smart Ops function in Nova to detect resonances and then transfer the settings over to a zero latency dynamic EQ like Pro-Q3 or Neutron 3 EQ.
     
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    hey buddy it's not possible by design/nature of those plugins,
    they're always using Fast Fourier Transform (FFT) somewhere within processing, where direct/crude implementation requires latency, plugin needs to "see" in advance what audio it's supposed to handle across whole frequency spectrum, doing various narrow-band recalculations then,
    on top of that some of the plugins offer linear/natural phase mode, which adds another latency to compensate phase shifts a bit,

    if you need just a zero-latency multiband processing, in Reaper you can use 5-band splitter, then 5 instances of ReaComp (or whatever zero-latency compressor), and 5-band joiner,
    on the other hand using FFT splitter in Reaper already introduces 4096 samples of latency, and similarly using lookahead on compressor does add latency depending how much ahead it shall look
    :chilling:
     
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    borderline offtopic, but Dan Worrall has a very nice video on principle differences between TDR NOVA and Fabfilter Pro Q-3:
     
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    I know they are different (parallel/serial) but I thought that in this case it shouldn't matter too much since the bands would be very sharp and wouldn't overlap that much. But yeah, they are fundamentally different in design and would give different results :)

    I think that OP would get the best results from just using Pro-Q3 and figuring out where the resonances to cut are by himself. He didn't specify the use case, but if it is for example to tame resonances in a guitar cab the resonances would most likely stay at fixed frequencies no matter what he's playing so Pro-Q3 would work just fine for this use case.
     
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