Is there hardware or a sampler that can degrade the sample rate really low like around 2khz?

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  1. Jake Jlinngall

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    Is there hardware or a sampler that can degrade the sample rate really low like around 2khz?
     
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    I think you mean 2Hz. Maschine's Sampler goes to 108Hz. Try Redux in Ableton. There are other plugins. TAL-DAC goes to 1000Hz.
    Eventually it just becomes noise and also also not audible to human hearing.

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    Edit: Oh, you said hardware. I missed that. Nevermind then.

    TAL-Sampler has internal resampling to the Nyquist frequency of 8000Hz (meaning 4kHz, not 2kHz). It could be enough for what you want to do/achieve.

    https://tal-software.com/products/tal-sampler

    Otherwise, use the free Tritik Crush bitcrusher (set downsampling to taste and LPF to 2k).
    https://www.tritik.com/products/krush/
     
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    Thank you all for your replies! I meant 2khz i don't need to degrade a sample any lower than 2khz then it starts to sound ugly.

    I know of the tal and various other software that can do this and they are great indeed but I was looking to see if there was a hardware equivalent to give me that "underwater" sound when running samples/signal through it. I know various samples lets you degrade the sample rate but it's never as low as what these plugins are capable of. At least I haven't seen or heard of one that can.

    Maybe there is a way to mod a hardware sampler to make it capable of degrading to lower samples. Something to think about.
     
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    Underwater? Why not just use a lowpass filter (and layer it with hydrophonic recordings of bubbles, if needed)? :)
     
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    Degrading the sample gives you the same effect and sounds a bit different from a lowpass filter even with a 6th order filter to my ears at least especially if you degrade it really low.

    Also by doing that you eliminate those frequencies completely which doesn't happen with a lowpass. I prefer to degrade the sample rate for the underwater effect.
     
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    Ok. So you basically want to pitch down a sample a lot? Makes sense. The grit is pretty nice.
     
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    Something like that lol just experimenting and taking measures to extreme to do the same thing in different ways to stand out. If you find or hear of hardware like I mentioned in OP lmk plz!
     
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    Any HW sampler would work I guess. I used to have old Akai samplers (love/hate relationship compared to today's sampler). I just created a rumbling "underwater" sound now. Took 15 seconds.
     
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    I take that back too apologies. when degrading a sample rate using vst I never go lower than 2khz because you are right it breaks up and it does't sound good anymore. I don't need a sampler to go any lower than 2,000 khz in my opinion. Had to clear that up. That is probably why you were wondering why would I want or need to degrade anything that low to 2hz lol
     
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    If you don't mind me asking. How low did could your akai samplers use to degrade the samples too and what sampler are you using now?
     
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    No worries. I have pitched down sounds 7-8 octaves for sound design jobs to get what I wanted.

    I don't remember how low I could pitch the samples down as the extreme experimentation started after my "hardware era". I was more focused on getting the "best" sound I could at the time. Haha.

    Today I'm using Vember Shortcircuit 2 sampler (free). It's the best!
     
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    Thanks I never tried that vst out I have to give it a try! I just lately (don't roast me) been listening to alot of artist like drake (genreic mainstream I know) and partynextdoor's music. I know that their camp relies heavily on degrading and processing samples in a very unique way that way the vocals can occupy the top.

    I understand there are many ways of degrading a sample you can low pass it or use a vst like you mentioned but they are either using some sort of outboard hardware processing on their samples as well to get this grit I hear as well. I would love to know exactly how they process their samples.
     
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    I searched up the producer who works with partynextdoor and he states on gearslutz and in his interviews he only uses outboard but doesn't share what he uses.
     
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    Sounds more like saturation and filters. But that's just me (and my old experienced ears).
     
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    forsure it's that. that's a loaded answer; super broad though lol
     
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    Start with saturation/distortion and run it through filters (lowpass, highpass, bandpass...).
     
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    I take things to extremes when i hear/see them. Listen to Baxter. Even TAL-DAC goes to 1000Hz

    @Baxter8̶0̶0̶0̶H̶z̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶8̶ ̶k̶H̶z̶.̶ ̶I̶'̶m̶ ̶s̶u̶r̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶w̶a̶s̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ̶a̶ ̶t̶y̶p̶o̶,̶ ̶b̶r̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶.̶
    EDIT - Nyquist frequency. You're right. 4kHz.

    Off-topic: That Tritik Resonator: Moodal is awesome. Not for down-sampling but just awesome.
     
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    Dude you telling me about that vst might have just answered my question. F the hardware sampler this shit is unreal. This plugin sounds crazy
     
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