Tbh we're more Universal Audio hardware kind of people, though there's a couple old Carbons sitting around catching dust for a while now. Really know very few pro audio facilities (in my city) that keep using Avid as the core of their studios.

 

While that's true, they usually release bug fixes faster than other companies.
Personally, I think Reaper has the potential of becoming mainstream in pro audio beacause of flexibility. Thinking of foley, post production, ads music studios, etc; with a little work it has the capability to accomodate very specific workflows and necesities. If something is missing you as a business could potentially even hire someone to code the niche funcionality that is needed.

 

Never understood all the hate for PT, if you don't like it, you don't have to use it, sure Avid is a shitty company, but PT in general is not a bad DAW, I've used it for years now, tried others Cubase, Reaper, Studio One, Samplitude, and even Mixcraft, but I keep ending up on PT, just got used to the workflow and it works for me, I honestly don't think it's on it's last legs yet and What "professional studios" are left out there will probably continue to use it, at least in the forseeable future, Avid has gone into panic mode as far as PT is concerned, that's obvious with the recent price drops and sales they've been having lately, after all, if they killed PT what would all the zealots have left to hate on.....

 

IDK. You probably have better insight. In the last couple of years I've seen quite some "smaller" studios putting up Merging Tech systems. But in this case, I'm just an observer. Some say that for so called mission critical, DAW on location play/rec Pyramix is better. This is exactly what A/V oriented mega productions (like BBC's) need.

I you're talking about numbers then yes, I guess Pro Tools market is huge in comparison. Does it matter? again idk.

AVID is doing one naughty thing though - you'll see a lot of vids where a guy comes in the studio, pulls out his laptop and makes an 8 (maybe 16) bar say drill beat on say FL. Then another guy comes in, pulls out his laptop and mixes the beat on Pro Tools. AVID wants to make Pro Tools look cool.. Why is that? It's supposed to be a professional tool, not something every kid is drooling over.


I'll just point out again, IMHO:
Is Pro Tools 'industry standard' for rec/mix: Yes
Is Pyramix 'industry standard' for rec/mix: Yes

Are either of these 'industry standard' for movie scoring, composition, notation, songwriting, deadmou5ing, beatmaking..: NOpe. And that inevitably comes before the rec/mix/master.

Also, if something looks like Win 3.1 (eg. Pyramix) it has to be pro

 

@Dimentagon

Thanks for replying to my questions

He is my uncle Rupert with my auntie Jerry.

So you did not waste your money on Avid. You invested money in it. You bought it because there were no other options in your budget range. You used it it,and made money with it. Not a bad investment.
To me, wasting money is going to a strip club to watch pussy you can watch for free on Porn Hub, and overpaying $300 for a bottle of bad vodka that costs 35 dollars at the local supermarket.

Signed by Johnny Depp

 

Thanks for answering. If you don't have a lot invested in Avid hardware, it is easier to abandon Pro Tools, or better said, Avid integration. However, the other options, when all is said and done, are not as cheap as some people think.

 

^ This says it all for me

^ Only if Blackmagic Design creates a Daw dedicated to audio/mixing,imho & my thoughts ^

 

Reaper desperately needs a MIDI overhaul. I hate to say it but until then it won't be a contender. It's such a hassle to do MIDI work with Reaper that I'm considering buying FL Studio just for that. It feels so smooth & effortless with FL. Reaper with FL's piano roll would be my dream DAW.

 

I think they will remain the 'industry standard', although I also think that they hardly get any 'new' users nowadays. The majority of the people that I see using pro tools either invested a lot of money on the whole ecosystem in order to just quit using it, or are just lazy ass boomers who refuses to learn any new thing, or a combination of both.

Eventually, the 'pro' market will consist of 'small' home studios with self taught gen z engineers, so, probably, Logic Pro will turn into the industry standard.

With that being said, I think Studio One will be the most complete DAW (probably already is) simply because it's newer and does not have legacy junk code like Cubase. Reaper is also good, but just for mix and rec in my opinion. FL Studio and Ableton for electronic music.

 

I do not see Logic replacing Protools. Apple's direct outright purchase of Avid would be the equivalent of a black hole gobbling up earth. It would be meaninglessly predatory. They have no reason(desire?) to do that, or they already would have. Maybe it would be viewed as even more anti-competitive and monopolistic? Logic just needs to stay good enough to sell more computers by being only $200.

 

No it s not near.Those who want to believe that because they can t get their hands on a cracked version that s unlikely to be released, are the same people who look into their pants and try to convince themselves that size doesn t matter

 

@The Pirate

It's like battle of the bands from too far back to remember.... WHY comes to mind?

I could sit and tear apart every DAW as missing something but what a waste of energy and negative energy at that.
ProTools is great with audio and post production. Its new subscription model has cost them a lot of clients because their business model failed to include better support, For a lot of corporate people, they see a product as paying for support not the application but some companies just do not get that when they charge expensive prices.

Sure, the MIDI in ProTools is total shite, but the audio is great. I can do the same deconstruction of crappy things with Reaper, Cubase, Logic, FL, Ableton, Bitwig, Studio One and any DAW - WHY bother?

People will always use what suits their workflow and input/output needs as close to exactly as possible. The brand or name means nothing as long as it does what they want.

Phased out? If you asked which DAW has the worst Business Model I would agree that ProTools wins hands down, but a demise? While many studios have switched DAW's and kept their prior standalone ProTools, it will function for some time to come untill all the post=production and film studios decide to fully replace it.

 

Kenny Gioia just started a series of videos with the presentation of Reaper 6. Those who are interested in starting a long-term adventure, would do well to follow.

 

No Logic Pro in the poll? I've never heard of Sequoia. If the Industry is really crumbling, so will its standards. Pro Tools is, in some respect, what one "has to" use in order to be taken seriously as a "pro." It's traditional. Meanwhile, a more and more people have come into music production without regard to Pro Tools; some of them consider PT to be for boring old farts; most don't have the means or the wherewithal to get locked into an expensive, proprietary system, just in order to swim with the Industry sharks. This thread, concerning the latest release of PT, says a lot:

https://audiosex.pro/threads/pro-tools-2022-9-released.66834/

 

It says that the majority bitching about PT are not even legit users. Just like when there is a FL Studio thread. 1000 bitching about it, and 999 have never used it. My pprediction: Watch PT showing at sister site and thousands downloading it. If PT is shit, why download it? To try before you buy? Really? Give me a freaking break.

An overlook on my part, and you are the first one to point it out. Nevertheless, it has been added. Thanks for reminding me.

Sequoia? A beast of a DAW. But the developer went crazy with asking price. Now, you heard about it.

 

No garage band either

 

Its main forte was Mastering in the early part of this century and with matching outboard hardware, it still does it very well. Personally when that was its main function I felt it was better. They should have left the DAW pre-mastering to Samplitude and kept them separate. MAGIX I guess may be responsible for that happening.

 

Ahhh.. No.
1: Apple would never purchase Avid, there's no need they sell FCP & Logic. If they did the support would be way way better but that's hyperbole. When Apple purchased Emagic we thought the same however it worked out way better in the long run. Same deal when Apple purchased FCP off Macromedia.

2: You do realise most Mac computers in that highly-priced studio also have Logic. If you ask nicely the session can be tracked in Logic (more often than you think) taken home and edited. Lots of Albums are mixed in Logic. Industry-standard? Hmm by who's designation? if it's based purely upon sales to audio professionals, semi-professionals ect.. Logic owns Protools 100 x over.

 

MAGIX is like a ship in the middle of the ocean without a captain and GPS. No sense of direction. They had everything in-house to be on top but it failed to capitalize on it.

 

I could not agree more. Have a HNY and prosperous one next year