Is it safe to allow R2R Studio One online?

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  1. Bunford

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    I usually block my DAWs from going online and never had any issues. However, just wondering on the risks with allowing Studio One online for two reasons:

    1) I want to use the Studio One Remote app on my iPad;

    2) I want to link my Soundcloud account so I can upload direct from Studio One.

    I've a feeling there probably is a way to achieve 1) by allowing it to only connect to my home netweork and not to go online, but I have no idea how to do that?!?!

    2) is less important to me, but would be nice.
     
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  3. e-minor

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    I believe those features won't work unless you have a purchased copy. I could be wrong. It will be interesting to see what others say. Even then, I would still recommend AGAINST allowing your cracked daw online for that. Yes, those are cool features, but not at the expense of sending your info to presonus or your other plugs also connecting and getting deactivated.
     
  4. mrpsanter

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    It's been more than two years that I use S1 R2R's and my computer has always been connected to the Internet. I have yet to see some drawback from this.
     
  5. trenton

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    I would be very hesitant to go online with any DAW. Keep in mind, it's not only the DAW going online BUT potentially all your VST/AU as well. For some products, that's definitely a big no no. Personally I would not do it.
     
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  6. GODSanAI

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    The remote ipad app worked fine for me. But I had to enable internet connection whenver I used it. Then after a few months my S1 became uncracked and I had to uninstall reinstall. sucks
     
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    When i was using cracked S1 I allowed it to go online once by mistake. Never had a reason to create a rule in the firewall because my studio computer is disconnected from the internet 99% of the time and has no wireless card.

    Studio One de-authorized and I had to run the keygen again
     
  8. Bunford

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    Is there a way you can can set up an app (Studio One) in Windows 10 to access the local network devices (such as my iPad) and not go online? It must surely have features to allow connection with other devices on the same home network?!?!
     
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    i let my studio one online by mistake once and a guy came to my house, slapped me right in the face with a fish and then took a shit in my fridge....
     
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    That is funny
     
  11. Talmi

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    @Bunford, yes I have access to all my connected devices on my local network (included wifi connected devices) from my offline computer, you just have to allow it on your local network while closing port 80 and 443 for internet so that it doesn't go online. The safest is still to unplug your cable, but if you know how to tweak a firewall you can very tightly close any of the many openings to the outside world while still having possibilities on your local network. You'll have to configure your ipad to connect to the ip of your computer.
    It's imo indispensable. For example Metric halo bundle (I used the one from the sister site before going legit, but both have the same behavior) connects on a remote internet adress as soon as you launch any of them in your daw. Not only is it impossible to know exactly what type of infos is sent and where, but it creates troubles with one of my daw (samplitude), whom main process kept running in the background after I closed it (with its load in CPU and memory going on and its connection to my audio interface maintained)...All that behavior stopped once I blocked my computer from the outside world and those bloody weird connections stopped.
    I never have a problem offline, I do online, legit or not. Not problems with software companies knocking on my door, technical problems.
    I'm not even talking about unwanted updates and all that hassle from both vsts, daws and OS...
     
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  12. Bunford

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    Yeah, been looking for a guide on how to do it but most tuts online seem to be about applying it to the computer as a whole, rather than to a specific application.
     
  13. Talmi

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    You have for example windows firewall control (http://www.binisoft.org/wfc.php) which in itself isn't a firewall but it allows you to easilly access in one neat interface all the advanced functions of windows firewall which is great but hidden deep inside windows, even as a freebie (you can give whatever you want to unlock the full thing which basicely just adds a few notifications, I bought it just to help the dev, there is enought with the free version) you can handpick applications, what they can access...Etc. You can put it in limited network mode, completely closed, all open, At the bottom right of the UI you can either click on "browse for a program that you want to block" or you can click on "click on the window of a program you want to block" and then simply touch the window of studio 1 which will be blocked. The latest method blocks everything, if you want to set up rules with details (access to local network but nor elsewhere) you have either to browse for the program and then tweak or you can go directly in the configuration window of every authorized and blocked connections of window firewall to create one or several if it suits your need.

    BTW I feel your pain, I have my daws vsts and vsties on one computer, my visualizer (pure visualizer) and vienna ensemble pro which host Kontakt , diva and altiverb on another one, those two are offline, everything has to go through my local network flawlessly in both directions and it took me a few trial and error before getting it right, or for using a smartphone connected through wifi to control different things with touchOSC, all while staying offline with my audio computers...
     
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  14. Pinkman

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    I had to do the same to be able to use Ableton Link with my iPad apps and keep the PC offline.

    I also have a wireless ad-hoc network setup with rtpMIDI for wireless MIDI connection that I needed to allow.

    My configuration was just as @Talmi described except I used the stock Windows Firewall.
    Created rules to block outbound connections to keep the DAW offline.
    Created a rule to allow UDP and TCP connections for Ableton Link.
    If you right-click the rule and go to Properties > Protocols and Ports, you can specify the protocol type (for Ableton Link I had to allow UDP and for rtpMIDI I had to allow TCP).
    You can then specify Specific Ports under Local Port and just allow the port number your iPad is using.
    Alternatively you can block just 80 and 443 like described above.
     
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    Thanks to your help guys, I have nearly worked this out. Here is the near solution for anyone wanting to use the iPad Remote app but keep Studio One offline. I've tested and my iPad app perfectly sees Studio One one on my PC while it remains offline (news feed not available etc). However, when I try to connect I get a message on my iPad saying "Connecting to this version of Studio One is not supported." I'm running the latest 3.3.3.41198 on a Windows 10 64 bit machine. I think it may be connecting fine, just that maybe the app hasn't been updated since the Studio One 3.3.3 update, hence the error. Once the app is updated, I'm hoping this will then work and will connect. It's be useful if anyone still on 3.3.2 could test to see if it works.

    I went into Advanced Windows Firewall settings and created an inbound rule to block Studio One.exe. Not sure if this is needed, but best be safe than sorry in preventing DAW or plugin communications.

    I then created two separate outbound rules. For these, select Studio One and choose to block Studio One.exe. Before clicking ok, go to Protocols and Ports tab. Then do this for one rule:

    upload_2016-12-21_8-3-5.png

    and this for the other (the last number is 65535):
    upload_2016-12-21_8-3-25.png

    This should then allow Studio One to use the necessary ports to communicate with the app, whilst preventing it from going online.
     
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    Was he a Cakewalk Salesman by any chance? I hear there sales techniques are a little unconventional.
     
  17. Pinkman

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    I think that Inbound rule you created might be the issue.
    To test you can unplug the physical ethernet cable to go offline then disable the Inbound rule (or create exceptions or the ports) and attempt to connect the iPad Remote app.
    Another solution that worked for some is to connect your iPad to iTunes on the PC and make sure that it is accepted as a Trusted Device
    This is older but hopefully it helps.
    https://forums.presonus.com/viewtopic.php?f=151&t=10477
    https://forums.presonus.com/viewtopic.php?f=151&t=10600

    You could be absolutely right though about the update
     
  18. Bunford

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    Yeah, already seen them links. It's where i got the port numbers from.

    I just took the risk and disabled all firewall rules and started up Studio One as a normal, fully fledged unrestricted online application. I still get the same error on the app. Therefore, I think it is something to do with the latest update perhaps?!?! I also totally turned off Windows Firewall and Windows Defender so there were no filtering or restrictions and still get the error. Seems like the error is definitely not firewall/port related. I just opened the ports up on my router for my destop to allow remote access and no luck. I also rang a ping test and my desktop can ping my iPad fine so I know they are communicating.

    As an extra check, I also checked using Microsoft Message Analyzer. My PC appears to be reading and receiving the UDP packets being sent from the iPad app to detect the app and then the TCP packets trying to establish communication. Therefore, this definitely seems to be a genuine error in that the latest Studio One doesn't support the latest app. It's the only conclusion I can draw?!?! Not sure how to read this, but hoping it makes sense to someone....

    192.168.1.6 is my iPad and 192.168.1.4 is my desktop:
    upload_2016-12-21_9-36-6.png

    If someone is still on 3.3.2 and have an iPad, it'd be good if they could test out this method and see if it works.
     
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  19. Alpha0ne

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    There will be maybe no problem with the DAW but with cracked VSTs. Since a lot of them are calling home and deactivatiing themselves so you have to reinstall them again. I allways get into those problems, wehn i forget to firewall the daws after an update. So i would recommend not to go online with them.
     
  20. Impressive

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    Holy shit! That happened to you, too? Damn I knew I wasn't the only one.
    Yeah I was making myself a sandwich & suddenly this fat guy came thru me door, slapped me with a fish (a big swordfish) & the took a shit in my sandwich. Oh and then he put on a Trump mask & grabbed my girlfriend by the pussy.
     
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  21. Backtired

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    I always have TinyWall on blocking everything.
    And in some cases when I get really paranoid, what's better than unplugging the cable?
    Most of the time I'm offline when making stuff
     
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