Intel cpus suffering serious unfixable issue

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  1. Xupito

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    You're worried that Intel sticks thermal paste in their latest [top of the line] I9s? Because ...why?
    If that's why you didn't upgrade from ... what are you running now? just yank the spreader and stick cooler right on the die (clearly you are planning on extreme shit, since zero cooling issues at stock clock).
     
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    Not at all. It's good to be forthright as long as you don't miss all the context.

    I was just commenting with @taskforce Intel issues in the last months, in this case the ones destined to make cheaper CPUs due to AMD rising.

    Nothing related to my computer or to me in general for that matter. That was another whole different topic in taskforce's and my own posts.
     
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    I see coming an announcement kind of:
    "Intel proudly presents the name of their next-gen CPUs: Core MeltUp"
     
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    Ridiculous on so many levels, where to start...
    1. i9s (the chips in question) are not budget CPUs, they go for ~$2,000. Not bargain bin stuff.
    2. These don't solder silicon to lid for the same reason my car doesn't have liquid nitrogen cooling -- there's no need for it; problems outweigh the advantages. Not because Intel chose to skimp on on a penny's worth of tin.
    3. You don't plan on buying one, so hard for me to understand why you even care. Like listening to fish expounding on the shortfalls of latest corporate jets (which they'll never buy, and couldn't use if they did).
    If you care about/are running AMT on your music box, urdoinitrong.
     
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    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117795&cm_re=i9-_-19-117-795-_-Product
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    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i9-7900x-skylake-x,5092-11.html
    If i wanna spend 1000 bucks on an unlocked cpu, it doesn't mean i am a pro oc'er who will dellid the cpu and doesn't care bout how much it costs. Means i am looking for a high end piece of silicon that i can push further to yield better results without voiding my warranty. That is the single sole purpose of unlocked cpus in the first place. If i just wanted more cores i'd go for a Xeon instead. Intel's decision is clearly due to cutting down costs and it's quite more than a penny, because simply production is faster and easier without soldering.
    No matter how many accounts you make mr. lambchop you still fail to escape your own smartassery. Dude, you don't have to be offensive to make a point. Peace
    Ps: I would like to see Intel dare offering Xeons with TIM instead of soldering lol. The enterprise world is not fanbois and of course Intel knows it too, that's why the Xeons are still soldered. If and when the enterprise partners of Intel are convinced that TIM is better than soldering i'll be convinced too.
     
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    [​IMG]

    I'm not sure you understand what "unlocked" means. You should also know that overclocking voids Intel's 3 yr. warranty. There's an additional plan you may purchase for that, @ $150 & $125 for 7980XE & 7960X, respectively.
    Sweet.
    No.
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    The only reason most people, myself included, buy unlocked chip is unlocked multiplier.
    You talk about your "clients," and yet don't seem to know basic shit, like overclocking basics & whether your client's gear is covered by warranty.
    I worry :(

    Love <3
     
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    Where man? In Marvel Universe? You are quoting the... intel manual and written warranty booklet :rofl:?
    Ok i 'll bite.
    This only means, the warranty is void only when the cpu is permanently damaged due to extreme voltage send to it (or heat beyond 100 degrees Celcius), that is, "burned" out, k'd, caput, finito. In any other case there is no way to prove a cpu was oc'd, when bios settings are reset and the cpu "looks" ok. Unless you know a magical way of course. In any chance the cpu is malfunctioning for any reason other than mentioned, the cpu is rma'd. And in the 35 yrs i buy cpus, 17+ yrs i build pcs i have NEVER had any official technician check if a malfunctioning cpu was oc'd if it doesn't exhibit any signs of weird thermal behavior or is completely k'd. And all in all, i haven't seen any -not malfunctioning by default- Intel cpus the last 15 yrs to be malfunctioning when oc'd in a mild manner and not aggresively, which for modern cpus would be around the +10-12% perm oc. The one exception where your warranty is instantly revoked is delliding the cpu in which case tampering is almost obvious.

    And i thought it's a tool for unlocking bank safes. So you mean its not John, it's Johnny and you have to quote wiki for it ?. I wonder what am i going to do with an unlocked multiplier ? Oh, hmmm, let's see, am i going to use
    ? I guess not. I just bought it because i don't like to see the multiplier area in my bios greyed out:winker:
    But of course you can say anything. Free world.
    So for everyone else but you sir,
    the point of producing unlocked cpus is for non techy peeps to easily and safely oc with a couple of buttons straight from the bios or from their mobo's respective soft, and enthusiasts to pay some more and get a better performance. Serious oc'ers will push such a cpu to its limits by all means possible, but this is by far the absolute minority of buyers.
    Btw, quoting the top of the line 18core/2k dlrs i9 for me is quite pointless, when intel has 4 cheaper i9 models and further cheaper more under the i7 nick in the same -messy- x299 platform with the same architecture.
    But really, i would like you to commend on the issue at hand which was the soldering on the cpus. You did shy away from this.
    And hey, love back to you man and a happy new year
     
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    If you can't tell the difference between "cheap" and "cheaper" there's no point in trying to reason with you.
    I'm not interested in blowing off steam in polite threads.
     
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    Here https://click.intel.com/tuningplan/faq. Man.
    You said that the you could "push [an unlocked chip] further to yield better results without voiding my warranty.... single sole purpose of unlocked cpus in the first place." I helpfully corrected you, explaining that the reason people buy unlocked chips is the unlocked multiplier, also pointing out that by overclocking an Intel CPU, you are, indeed, voiding the warranty.

    If you do wish the results of your tinkering to be covered by a warranty, you must purchase it separately, here: https://click.intel.com/tuningplan/purchase-a-plan.
    I have, by pointing out an i9 needs tin TIM as much as my car needs liquid nitrogen cooling.
    A word to the wise is never enough, so I'll elaborate, ELY5:
    If i9 failed to meet spec, your question would have merit. It runs fine within Intel’s published specs, so your question got none. Merit, that is.
    Preempting your next question (If Intel isn't cutting corners, how come they don't use pure elemental silver spreaders, artisanaly crafted by Himalayan holy men?!): Because that's frickin' stupid. Intel's job is to give me the best value/$ ratio, not to waste my money. If Intel manages to double speeds/halve costs by using peanut butter TIM, I'm a customer.

    Happy New Year!
     
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    I posted you the tomshardware test article where among others goes : "The reason that Skylake-X is so much harder to cool traces back to the thermal paste Intel chose to use instead of solder between the processor die and heat spreader. Although paste is cheaper, it's also less than ideal for cooling performance."
    But hey since you seem to know better,
    (great argument btw) i have no comment.
    Bye
     
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    I've given you freely of my time, patiently correcting each and every argument you've put forth -- from reasons behind purchasing unlocked chips to Intel warranty coverage of same. And in return, from you I got ... what? Gushing gratitude? Blubbering apologies through tears and snot? No. Not even as much as a thank you :(
    The only argument you chose to address was one in which I allowed myself a modicum of levity. Clearly humor has no place in this, a subject most grave. Apologies, I'll rephrase:
    Is because it's not. Works like a champ with conventional thermal solutions when operated within spec. Being harder to overclock is no more of an issue than a VW Golf not holding up well revved @10,000RPM -- it's not made for that. It's not an issue for 99% of Golf buyers.
    With me?
    Now, those who want a car that can rev @10,000RPM for hours (mind, I didn't say "go fast" -- you don't care about speed -- you want, specifically, to run outside spec -- overclocked, overreved, to hammer the car thing)? Well, thy either buy a different car, or they take an xacto knife & slice that pesky lid right off their new shiny.
    Or stop with the boy racer foolishness altogether & drop some green on a go-fast for grownups: Xeon Gold :)
     
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    :rofl::rofl::rofl:
    Sure. 15yos know what an unlocked multiplier is and what is its primary use. Obviously you don't, trying to prove that premium unlocked cpus are not unlocked for the main purpose of fiddling with the fkn muliplier = oc in the first place. But for an unknown fictional reason YOU KEEP FAILING TO MENTION.
    Btw, a simple Golf does not equal premium unlocked cpu. A turbo racing Golf does fit the profile. Just so you know.
    I get it you are pissed because i can recognize your split personality no matter under which moniker. No worries. I will rid you of the burden. Politely ignored once more.
     
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    Begging the question: How is it that you don't? Or, rather, didn't until I explained it to you?
    You actually thought that an unlocked CPU is (I'm not laughing)
    Imagine?

    Now, a lesser man would have politely stepped over you and walked away, as one often does from the deranged littering the gutter. But not I. Ooooh no! When the least of you dwelleth in darkness, nagged by my hippy conscience.
    I stopped to help.
    ...with a link. Telling you that lol no, Intel's 3-year warranty is for normal users, not wayward tweekers ...err, clockers. Said high-risk individuals must pay their own way, buy insurance, so as not to burden us mundanes with their wacky shenanigans.
    Here it is again: https://click.intel.com/tuningplan/faq
    ...and here we are.

    If not for Intel's indestructible, idiot-proof CPUs, you (and your numerous clients) would'a learned all of this without my help. The hard way
    :winker:
     
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    Yep, I think it's indeed harder to fix hardware issues than software issues. But everything is actually never safe enough, because of the changes that the world is going through every day. Let's say if this is fixed at one day, then probably another security leak will happen in the future. Smart people will always find ways to abuse it no matter how good or complicated the security is. But if you start thinking about this or whatever you have to do to prevent yourself so good as possible it will not be fun.
     
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