everyone knows that osx is a superpolished linux which almost works with everything

it is the best, but for us which care more about the software they use on their systems w64 simply works

does not matter which color your dick has, it probably has the same color as millions of others have too

the important thing here is, enjoy your dicks

if they have gaussian transparency, look a bit old or require you to speak to them in order to function properly

its all about those audio apps


and of course ranting about somthing here, anything

 

It's realistically about the song, not about the operating system. The red record button is the same in every DAW. If someone listening to your work could pinpoint if it was recorded on a Mac or a PC, then and only then might it make one bit of difference concerning what kind of machine one uses. Until that time any conversation and rationalizations concerning this or that is just a big waste of breath and a killer of precious time. Take a deep breath, let it fall out gently, repeat until you feel chilled, calm and gently mellowed. Repeat as necessary.

 

the first computer I worked on was a Apple II. First music software was soundtracker on c64

Anything fine , peace bro ! <3

What kind of customisation do you mean , I am curious.

Attaching icons to a folder is less easy on windows.
Especially if you like to move the folder to another computer.

I havent had any serious issues with Windows 7, it started all with widows 10

awesome !

Yeah this really suxx, I hope software developer's will release Linux versions of their Plugins!
At the moment we are doomed to use either Windows or macOS if we like to use things like Maschine, Avenger, Serum...
I would immediately jump over to Linux if it would be possible to run all my software.

It would be awesome If there would be a compatible OS which lest you just use VSTs

~~~~> http://www.reactos.de/joining/faqs but still alpha and it seams to emulate things like wine ?

How do you mean ?

 

I couldn't agree more. And i also agree the biggest problems have come with Win10. Many threads about this from last year's win10 release, and i was and still am totally against win10, as the only seriously new technology they offer is their -privacy invasive- windows telemetry, which helps no user as they wrongfully advertise, but instead spies on even your private files. Just like throwing democracy and the basic human right of privacy in the dustbin, how about it lol. And they have also brought it to win 7 and 8 by means of normal windows updates. I posted this a long time ago, but in any case, on this page there is an easy .bat file to help ppl remove (most of?) the known "big brother" updates once and for all from their systems:
http://techne.alaya.net/?p=12499

 

as a hackintosh user here, I gotta write my point of view on current situation around operating systems:

stay away from Windows 10 if you can, ancient over 20-year old NT kernel and NTFS filesystem are unfixable burden of any Windows OS, Microsoft basically made customers beta testers of their continuously-updated Windows 10, and there ARE problems with Windows 10, it's just a matter of time everyone experiences serious problems, it IS a trap leading to subscription cloud-based OS for casual users (without ability to install anything but UWP Store Apps) and overpriced enterprise-grade server-quality OS,

Linux is out of question too, because due to its "open environment" nature, hardware devs will NEVER EVER provide perfect drivers for it, neither software devs will throw away their exclusive knowledgebase for free, also since the APIs are different, you cannot just use OSX-designed programs or Windows programs unless you hijack the libraries (using for ex. Wine to run Windows software)

OSX El Capitan right now is undoubtedly best OS to go for if you need workstation OS, as it features Linux-like core mechanics, software and hardware devs do actually consider it a professional high-end platform and so develop things for it,
from hardware point of view, Apple is undoubtedly going wrong way, underestimating importance of performance since 2012 to favor design (no wonder latest upgrade-able macbook pro is mid-2012 and latest quad-core i7 mac mini is late-2012 server),

despite all this said, what really determines OS choice is software and peripherials we use, obviously multiplatform softwares have huge advantage, this is why I for ex. why Adobe has grown so much, or why people like Reaper - these softwares work great on any OS and so make it really versatile to move projects around!

as a matter of fact, these days if you seek for OSX workstation, it's really best to build custom hackintosh - combine best of hardware and OS available nowadays, which is Intel 2011-V3 X99 based rig, where you can put PCIex graphics, PCIex audio interface, and other cards, put plenty SATAIII drives, even decide on own cooling setup,
sure if you need portability, then you may buy literally anything,
some second-hand macbook pro or even macbook air are still fairly expensive, but rock solid - performance hasn't really improved since 2013 arrival of Retina screens, and only noticeable leap is this years' complete removal of any connectors beside Thunderbolt 3,

unless you are burdened with Windows-exclusive software or hardware (which in 99% cases is designed for Windows 7 or XP and doesn't perform better on Windows 10), it makes absolutely no sense to build a new Windows 10 machine nowadays, since Windows 7 isn't officially sold anymore,
laptops are sold with pre-installed OS, so being stuck with device which thanks to UEFI locking may not even boot any other OS is a huge compromise to consider

 

It's kinda hard to decide which OS to install for professional audio these days. There's ton of great software for Windows [XP,7], and there is a decent amount of software for OS-X, so that's it. The number of programs for Linux keeps growing, though, and I wouldn't kick it out of the picture so easily, too. There is quite a bit of talk about RME supporting Linux with drivers on RME forum.

I'm glad that some people understand that you don't choose the OS for audio because your neighbour uses it, but you choose it because it runs the software that you like. ;) For example, if you like Logic-X then the choice is clearly OS-X. With OS-X you can also feel much safer about using your DAW with Internet. However, if you like Cubase and ProTools, I'd go with Windows 7 because of sheer amount of programs for it, and it works quite well, fast, efficient. If you like Bitwig, Harrison Mixbus, and u-he synths, and you have RME interface I'd go with Debian Linux.

I personally work with Windows 7x64 the most, some XP, some OS-X, and Debian Linux for Internet and general usage. It is generally a mess, quite frankly, but this "multi-platform" period gives us all a great chance to become familiar with all of these operating systems, and it is also kinda fun to use all of these operating systems, in a way. It gives you a chance to compare them, learn how to use them, and feel safer about the future.

But speaking of the future, future with Microsoft is clearly very *very* hazy, with all this cloud and subscription thing, and *buggy coding thing*, too, and MS not caring about its professional audio and video users at all. Future with Apple is also not very bright as there's talk about abandoning OS-X because it is the least profitable Apple's department. I think they're making a big mistake that they even consider abandoning OS-X! Idiots!. But that's how corporations think - the rising profit margin is the only thing that counts, greedy morons. Only Linux will always be here with us 100% as it doesn't depend on money, and useless corporate dickheads with their senile and senseless, egotistic and Ferengi-like policies. Linux cannot fall down. The only way for it is up. Keep that in mind, folks!

 

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Well, if You gonna use Windows, I think that it is irresponsable not to have at least a small 20 gig partition with linux on it.
It doesn`t cost You nothing, You don`t even see it on windows, it is practical, and it saves Your ass thousand times.

 

@SineWave : it is not so evident ;)
Microsoft get better performance with Win 10 than ever. But still a bag of bugs.

Apple got an horrible freeze bug on El Capitan (you know...the famous OS cited by @tzzsmk as "best" :D ) and still there a long time.
Apple don't care anymore about pro/power users. Seen hardware specs ? Seen useless gizmos and stuffs ?
Nowadays, Apple see OSX/Mac as iPhone accessories or bigger iPads...that's all. Because it is not "think different" but "think mainstream" now.
And i can tell you the next software Apple is going to kill : FinalCutPro. They are already dropping dev. 1 or 2 years left.

Linux ? Too much drivers problems. Need Wine to run a lot of Win/Mac only softs.

In fact, we are in a computer crisis for all pro/power users. Because computers are going to be pro/power users ONLY.
Nowadays, mainstream is smartphone/tablet.

 

Because windows 10 belongs to the back of the god damn bus.

 

And you can see all the Windows NTFS/FAT32 and HFS partitions in Debian Linux, so you can "play" with all your hard disks from Linux easily. Like downloading things from the sister site directly to your Windows or OS-X partitions, for instance.

I would rate your post "insightful" on slashdot, Von_Steyr.

 

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Are you really crying over 14.99 a month with great plug-ins? LOl! Smh! Get a Life!

 

Don't really say that does it & no I not crying as I don't need his plugins.
Especially not on a subscription basis.
Would rather buy outright but if that works for you then cool.
Anyway

 

I have a hole in my education, why will Linux save my ass by creating a 20 gig partition.

 

Maybe try this... I got it awhile ago but haven't set it up yet. I'm hoping it works on regular (non-ilok) windows plugs. Be interested to know if possible. Currently don't have the time to see...yet.

https://audioz.download/software/mac/107621-download_ilok-osx-bundle-of-mayhem-c0sm1csqu1d.html

I recently did a search on other software that say you can use Windows plugs in OSX. There are some other options. Again... haven't tried them. But there are at least 3 others that 'claim' this. Also search YouTube... some vids on there that go into describing the process... good luck! And let me know!

ps... I'm doing a dual boot on my MacPro right now. Too much good stuff for Windows... (and can't afford a new computer... or Hackintosh),

 

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in fact there is no need for Linux partition since you can create bootable "live" usb stick with Linux (and it will be fast enough to be used),
it can save you when Windows gets corrupt to boot and you'll need to "get into the PC" to try some fixing
most popular Linux-based live system is Hiren's BootCD which already includes fairly big pack of various handy utilities

 

Oh man Windows 7 is where they got it just right IMveryhumblehonestO, Kind of like the way XP was just right then they fucked it with Vista, I've not used Windows 8/didn't bother as 7 had everything and the fluff was so simple to get shut of, Windows 10 to me is kind of like Vista but with improvements, The fluff and background process take up way too many resources than in any, shape or form necessary. Windows 7 is much better with backwards compatibility I find.

Hell I know many people that have only in the last 4 years, Some even not even 2 years, Finally switch up for Windows XP 64-Bi Professional Edition to Windows 7 64-Bit Home Premium Edition, Professional or Ultimate as they basically had to in order for certain newer and update software stuff they use/depend on to be supported. Here is a thread from GearSlutz, I know it's not everyone's cup of tea, I rarely use it as a lot of it is a dig measuring contest I find, However I can't deny that some topics/threads are very useful along with it attracting all levels of audio people from beginner to disciplined mastering engineers, I commend in that respect a lot. Edit, GearSlutz thread which I bloody forgot to post a link to https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/1081713-windows-7-windows-10-a.html , Sorry about that epic .

Yeah MAC with OSX have had some rocky releases indeed, I'm not a MAC OSX man unless not at home so I can't say which versions name and number wise, However I recall some that we're causing people tools to just not work and we're slammed/threads on many audio forums detailing the shit, El-Capistan is/was one of them IIRC from the deep recesses of my mushed up grey matter (when they still did xx.x.x updates instead of yearly xx.x releases), So don't quote me on that, I might be wrong ! I think this article that Create Digital Music did has/makes some very, very good points regarding Apple not really taking the Pro Audio area (even though yes it is a very much niche area compared to others, There is no justification in neglecting it as buying out E-Magic and Camel Audio to offer a DAW as comprehensive as Logic Pro is on it's own, Doesn't seem to make much sense if not absolutely exploiting it to the fullest potential. Also having quite a few MAC only interfaces that are extremely good quality (I'm thinking Apogee and Metric-Halo as a few examples) is also not exploiting that element of top-notch hardware which is available to/for Pro Audio MAC user's is to me daft http://cdm.link/2016/09/apples-relationship-pro-music-needs-mending/. As a long time Pro Tools user, MAC has always been the system Digidesign, Nowadays Avid always put as "best practice" for "optimal performance"...etc. It goes hand in hand with post stuff of course along with, To be fair I've rarely had any issues using PTHD on MAC from the older TDM based systems to the modern HD native with optional instead of mandatory DSP acceleration cards/hardware.

I have on my audio machine Windows 7 whilst on this laptop, It came with Windows 10 and I hate it, I'm just simply waiting until I have myself a 1TB SSD drive to put into it which will trigger the immediate exorcism of Windows 10 for Windows 7.

I like the idea and have flirted with a hackintosh before due to having access to Logic, Five12 Numerology, Piss easy routing of audio and MIDI between different applications plus the aggregating of more than one interface into a single entity which would give me the opportunity to use 112 inputs potentially if I ever needed to. I realize that sounds exorbitant but it'd make the use of the various outboard I've got so much easier along with a very nice custom build analogue mixer/summing device which a very close friend and I are working on.

Using a Focusrite (Kind of Audient) Control-2802, Audient Focusrite Liquid Saffire 56, Audient ASP880 & 800, I've never required that many inputs but the option is there should the need ever arise. I've got an ID14 which I use with this laptop, Very happy with it and the other Audient gear I've got, I do like Focusrite also. I really need to look closer at their more recent options, The RED 8Pre being high on my list, Simply waiting for Thunderbolt to be rolled out on Windows basically.

Dual boot setup is definitely to me a no-brainer as that way one is able to get the best of both, Yes bouncing, moving shit around to then have to shutdown and boot up the other OS is a little bit clunky, However with thought and a well planned out then refined workflow, I do not view it as a long term problem. That is obviously just my two pence FWIW

Cheers and all the best to all as always

Dean

 

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I hate this too.

One thing I like about a Linux/Windows setup is you can access files both ways no matter what OS you booted up.
Accessing Windows files from the Linux side is already built in. For accessing Linux files from Windows I installed Ext2 Installable File System and it gave me read and write capabilities from the Windows side.

 

Paragon makes a good product that lets the Windows side of your dual boot access and write to your other partitioned Mac drives.
https://www.paragon-software.com/home/hfs-windows/
I can access and write to Pro Tools files and read samples, etc...

 

Cheers Pinkman for the heads up on that one, I will certainly look into it next time I have a diddle with Linux (I have limited experience with it, However the audio stuff is much improved with commercial plugins of quality supported, That's something I would really like to see more of). Again thanks man and all the best