Hi, I got some experience using DAWS but I only recently came to this problem:

When a track is stated as audio track, the DAWS don't receive midi messages on that track, this make impossible the control of effect plugin through controllers.
I'm wondering if it's me that didn't understood something or is it real?

Concrete example, you state a track as audio on your DAW, and your playing guitar through it, you added a vst effect that is able of midi learn, but even if you programed this effect to receive midi Control messages, you cant control it because your DAW don't monitors midi message on that track.
I've tried with a keylab 61, into Reaper, Samplitude and Sonar, same problem.

Do you know a solution for that?

Thanks in advance for your help

 

Works out of the box in live,
in other daws i imagine you need to create a midi track with your controller as input and the effect you want to control on the audio track as output of that midi channel.

 

Thank you fraifikmushi,
I'm already doing this in Reaper, the effect on a track and the guitar on the other, but I hope there is a more logical solution to get all in one track.
BTW this same solution made Samplitude crash, I dont know why.

 

In fl studio you bind every knob out of the box with right click-link to controller, You can also bind them all at once with multi-link to controller (click the knobs, then move the knobs you prefer in the same order)
hit record and off you go

 

Kwissbeats thank you for your answer, but unfortunately FL Studio have such a poor mixing desk, I cant work with it.

 

with sonar, there is a lot of great documentation available online. if i understand your situation correctly, this brief tutorial might help:

http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR%20X3&language=3&help=Tutorial7.4.html

Using Automation
Another feature that is important to mixing is automation. Automation lets you record changes to almost any parameter in SONAR, including track parameters, effects, synths and buses. SONAR makes this very easy.

1.Click a track's Write Automation button to enable automation writing for that track.
2.Press Play to start playback.
3.During playback, simply make the changes to the parameters in realtime, using either your mouse or a control surface.
4.To disable automation writing, stop playback and click the track's Write Automation button again.

When you play back, the parameters will update automatically.
Automation allows you to make gradual or sudden changes to make your song more dynamic. For example, in the tutorial project, you might find that Whiney Synth should become lower in volume at measure 25, when the drums and bass change.

Try it:
1.Click the Write Automation button on the Whiney Synth track.
2.Click Play or press SPACEBAR to start playback.
3.At measure 25, turn the track volume down to the desired level.
4.At measure 33, turn the track volume back up.
5.Press Stop to stop playback.
6.Disable Write Automation by clicking the button again.
7.Press Play and notice how the track volume changes automatically. Repeat this process with any other automation you feel the project needs.

For more information, see Automation.

That concludes this tutorial. But don't stop here. Continue to experiment by adding different effects, adding loops through the Media Browser view, etc.
Be creative and listen closely to the mix details in your favorite songs and albums. It's sure to provide you with inspiration for your own projects. There are also many books available on the topic, as well as thousands of add-on plug-ins that can expand your arsenal of FX.

For more information, visit www.cakewalk.com.
Tips: www.cakewalk.com/Support
Videos: www.cakewalk.com/CakeTV

 

got your point bro, Studio One can do that. i use a cheap m-audio 49 and can work as you requested i'll post a short clip on how to set it up correctly from start to finish

 

Thank you for your answer realitybytez, the case is not about writing automation. I want to do this while I'm playing.

Imagine I'm playing guitar, in monitoring mode, I'm using whatever amp simulator, I simply want to control the different parameters through my controller.
I'm not trying to write automation.

Mostwest , thanks but, it's about using audio, not a midi vsti, of course, if you use a vsti you can control an effect, because the track is already on midi mode.

My question is about using Audio and Midi at the same time on one track.

 

yeah you mean like have a guitar audio loops and use a controller to modify your vst guitar amp or eq or both at the same time. you mean like this?

 

that's a whole other topic, but I do find that strange because I can't name one function fl studio's mixer does not have

 

As you say, this is another topic, I don't want to begin a DAW vs DAW conversation here.

 

You kinda did with your first post so I'll hop in on that - Reaper does not like midi, maybe it's not the ideal choice for you

 

does this help?

http://youtu.be/UK24ySULnf0

 

ok here it is, my suggest is to leave the option "Default Instruments Input" unmarked so studio one is set to "all inputs" for all the midi track.
you only need to pay attention to the color of the box yellow means "this windows foreground" while blu/cyan means "this windows will work as in background".
I noticed (only now) that with version 2.6.3 you don't need to active your keyboard anymore, it just works. But it takes only 1 minutes to correclty install it.
For better informations go to the Presonus Studio One Manuals.

in this clip i show how:
-set up your midi keyboard/controller
-use internal record (since i don't have an hardware or external instruments)
-link controller to differents vst use both at the same time
-record to takes layers

Download it (it's a GIF file) right click and open with your Browser (Chrome & Internet Explorer can open it)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/71rqf5ze5wrewqx/record.gif?dl=0


This is the first time i do something like, Studio One is a very easy and powerfull daw. i don't miss any feautures from Fl/live/cubase ecc.

here it is the audio from the clip: just gained down by 3 db and converted in mp3
http://www40.zippyshare.com/v/wCsxu2tK/file.html

ps: Anyone know a good software to capture a video from your screenshot, i used Licecap but it record to gif, avi or flv would be a better choice

 

Off topic but, capture video = TechSmith Camtasia or extremely simple Snagit.

 

Try this, right click on the record button in REAPER, Input MIDI>All Midi inputs>All channels, and enable Monitoring (and check your track routings)? There should be a way since i've done Autotune + MIDI sidechan no problem before in REAPER (but not hw mIDI controller).

 

junh1024 thank you for your answer, I've done this but then , there is no more Audio input monitoring, I cant hear the Guitar, live.

 

Okay how about this, set audio monitoring & recording with your guitar track (ie, revert my changes), make a new blank track which monitors MIDI (apply my changes), and send THAT track to the audio guitar track?

 

Thanks for your junh1024, but I'm trying not to create 2 tracks for one take.
If I were going to do so, then the easiest way would be to put the guitar amp sim as any effect buss, like you do for a reverb and send 100% of the guitar to it.
Which seams to be the only real option looking at all the answers here.

Mostwest

No, I mean playing guitar in real time myself, you know, the old way, no wav loops, and control my amp sim at the same time.

 

ok i've already discovered a new option, (my old method still work because i tested)

i'll re-do the video clip with Snagit, but this time shorter


ps:when you link controller to parameters S1 send midi directly to the paramenter, i don't know how other daw works but studio one do things in this way