Many people have unpaid hobbies.

Many people have hobby inspired side hustles.

Some people are professionals. They work hard and, along the way, make contacts & hire other professionals to advise and deal with all the non-creative parts of running a successful business.

Re-defining the word paradox doesn't help make an argument.

Other than that, hope everyone had a lovely Christmas!

 

We have about 180,000 types of jobs, all of which receive certain salaries from the government and companies, but being an artist is not a job.

There's pot-washing job but not art job.

 

People care more about the eyes than the ears. What can be seen with the eyes and touched by the hands is more valuable to people than what is heard.

 

if we still had the facepalm smiley button we had not such problems as repeading the same shit again again with no outcome...
so feckn ...... the above post, in the end on purpose ,problem is sane ppl want set things right then ....this s no paradox , its a blackhole

 

Art is shitting in the corner of a round room.

We all have our own brains, just make your own art...! It costs nothing and is creative.

 

You seem to miss the point. There are no such thing as "artists" these days. There may be an artist or two for you, nobody else - just you. Just as seeing Joseph Beuys's performance - something you'd consider AN EVENT.

So if you consider someone an artist, i.e. you truly appreciate their art - you simply ask them about anything. Including money, sex, pose in which they take a shit.

You're asking for an easy solution - you can grab a random "success" book in your shop, or ask a ChatGPT for recommendations (that'd actually be great - I always run my questions through Claude AI too, just to double check). Or you can do as I did - go to libgen and write "music management" or "music business" in a search bar.

But henceforth screw this - I never actually opened none of these stupid "business" books. Some people suited for this - not me.

Why am I even telling this? Nobody cares. Human isn't a "solution" - human is the one who solves. Or is he?

The main flaw of your statement is a uncritical acceptance of the state of givenness. "Philosophers get their payment from government", shit man, philosopher who I read (living one) doesn't get shit! He teaches some bullshit at the university barely associated with philosophy, other ones who I read are DEAD.

Are you saying that dead people may be doing better than you? Well, not a new story.

 

You use words "governments" and "organizations" as cliches, like someone who doesen't really know what he's talking about.

I doubt you can produce a work of art. You should do your math first

 

But he most definitely chose the path of art! He's the top c0n artist!

Errr no, but i know a cave troll who tries to be a philosopher about money for artists. Now who that might be...

 

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Without money, art is lost and forgotten. Money guarantees the continued support of art. If ruthless people who have an economic view of everything don't stop being ruthless and don't support artists, there won't be any artist to create art.

 

hi im brent and i have a problen with trolling adiction
hello brent .....

or...

hi im auen i have been addicted to www audio forums and always falling for troll baits
hello auen .....

 

Understatement of the day right there

 

Il be honest im an Athiest! because all the shit in the world! & the church hides all the wronguns!& Faith has ruined what we have left!

 

I agree to disagree.

There are MANY musicians who are true artists who create music knowing they will likely always run at a loss and they create purely for the sake of creating for the art. If you mean popular music, then that falls under #3 above and more often than not, never in #1 or #2.

 

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I'm 68, have a pension and can afford to make the music I want to instead of following the herd to the slaugterhouse.
If people don't like it, walk on...

 

I am slowly coming to the conclusion that artists have accepted their fate and my first post is not too much of a concern for them.

 

Hahahah, did the people that painted the caves had money? What a collection of empty and narrow statements you throw up here.

 

At that time, society had not been formed, government had not been formed, and money had not been invented. We are talking now that only oxygen in the air is free and you have to pay for everything else. You have to pay even for water. It is very interesting that obvious things has to be explained.

 

You don't have to. You choose to out of comformity and convenience. It is very interesting that obvious things has to be explained. Also they had society and goverment even on the caves as well, as we humans are gregarian mammals. But anyway that's just a little segment of all your circular reasoning. Debating with fallacys don't make you as smart as you think.

 

Mate, there are plenty of artists in schemes, projects scholarships, grants, programs, both public & privately funded, throughout the world.

I'm sensing you aren't one of them.

Why that is, only you can know.

Also, you are posting on a forum for a more creative audience. Most of whom I imagine make little or no money from their hobby.

The notion that without money, people will no longer create anything is ludicrous.

Many famous artists throughout history didn't achieve "fame" (and thus collectability/ economic value) in their own lifetimes.

 

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Read Anna Tsing's book about mushrooms. Apply that framework to artists