Dm according to what temperament? Dm with which base frequency for tuning? All important variables that end up making the "Dm" reference too vague and variable.

Ever thought that your instrument and your voice sound different when playing different notes? I never said it doesn't sound different, I only said that it's not for the reasons that some people believe it is.

 

u are completely wrong.I dodn t mention key signatures,it s your imagination.But is a problem of yours.u can take two simple notes and they ll make an interval,the fact that u don t want to give a name to the notes of that interval because in the etjereal world notes are sounds with no nameis just pointless,and it s even pointless if u apply your pinciple to use numbers instead of notes,since it doesn t work out of a context.Nonetheless if u play or just imagine an F, it s still an F even if u refuse to call it an F,and it doesn t need a key or a staff to be an F, that s what it is.
Do u want to play the game of intervals that need no names nor enharmony to define them?very well, then why don t u statrt calling the degrees in a scale with their names?tonic, supertonic, mediant, subdominant,dominant, submediant and leading tone?it applies to every scale independently of the tone.
U can do that,but it doesn t change the fact that sooner or later,unless u only want to compose in a visual way, u ll have to give up and face the truth that notes have names, that there are key signatures and according to those signatures u ll have to define the quality of the degrees of a scale using sharps and flats and when u decide to think vertically to build harmonies u ll better learn that even if an interval has two or more names,u have to know for your own comfort whuich one to use within the context.
U have something to learn

 

The explanation for children:

The interval between the major 7th and the perfect 4th is the tritone. You can always find it at the same place on the staff depending on your key signature. This means that between the 4th and the 7th degree we will find a tritone interval.

Two notes 6 semitones apart: it's called a tritone. That is the name of the interval. No relation whatsoever with tonality, keys, key signatures, etc.

 

I quit.

Seriously, you're too busy trying to be right and don't understand that there's a difference between a representation and the actual thing. Staff notation is not music. Music is represented in various forms, some don't even have nothing to do with keys. If you could just forget about the visual representation of music and start thinking about intervals and harmony for what they really are (distances), that would certainly help you getting out of that ridiculous prejudice about learning more than what you were taught.

 

explanation for retarded children:
The interval between the major 7th and the perfect 4th is the tritone,and u always find it ins the same place on the staff if u know in what key you are playing.otherwise u can think that the 7th degree is the fourth and viceversa,it s still a tritone but harmonically it leads u somewhere else.So yes, there s a relation with tonality

 

Shit man, you really need someone to teach you properly... or maybe someone to teach you how to listen instead of assuming you know the ultimate truth about everything and that there's nothing more beyond it.

After what I've explained, I think it's pretty easy to read your post and understand how dumb you are.


And or fucks sake... why do you keep mixing scale degrees with intervals? By this time I guess even a drummer understands this... jeez

 

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Life is over. Let's die and continue our discussion up in the sky or as a atheist inside a tree (no matter) but before that let's say cheers to each other!
Btw, thanks DoubleSharp! Your links are so useful beside the notes circle.

 

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You 're right, this was written by a retarded kid. Holy shit, why did I waste my time..

 

U R THE FUCKING ONE WHO S MIXING THEM!!! how manty extra chromosomes do u have to state that the tritone is always in the same place on the staff, thus withing a key ( and that s even more wrong because if u write modal music the tritone can be somewhere else) and then stating that it her people confuse degrees with intervals?

 

Diatonically, it's always in the same place. That's why your retarded example makes no sense, it would either be the major scale or lydian.

But yeah, you know it all!! LOL

 

yet u didn t understand it

key of C
C D E F G A B
F and B make a tritone that solves on E and C
key of G flat
Gb Ab Bb Cb Db Eb F
Cb and F make a tritone that solves on Bb and G
Cb= B natural
Are u still sure that enharmony is irrilevant?

 

i don t know it all, but u don t know anything for sure

 

I 've said more than a hundred times and showed that I understand all that, you're the one who's failing to understand that the world doesn't begin and end on a fucking staff.

If you apply R234567 as an intervalic formula to any root, you'll get a major scale. This IS INTERVALIC TALK. You don't need to have a key or an implicit tonality to be able to write notes, sepcially if your music doesn't hold a key for more than a measure. The way you want to represent things is OPTIONAL, the intervals that you choose are ABSOLUTE distances. Can you begin to understand the difference? Or do you want to convince me that music stored in MIDI form as "no key"?

Enharmony is important to where it matters. Enharmony and key signatures are conventions, not music.

 

Right. It says a lot about you and your knowledge if that's your conclusion from what you read from me.

Don't get out of your little bubble, you might learn something new and that would be disastrous!


Bye

 

One more thing dumbass:

Degrees are intervals but intervals are not degrees... although I am sure you won't get anything out of this sentence.

 

We are just circulating, because we got to the first place. Degrees and distances are dealing with numbers and names with letters. Hating numbers means hating mathematics (of course the simplest one).
Most people in western countries have problem with numbers and I don't know why. Instead they just want to talk and instead of formulating the events with a simple formula just write a whole book that deals with letters.

 

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IDIOT!!!
IF U WANT TO FUCKING LEARN INTERVALS U HAVE TO FUCKING LEARN TO SPELL THEM PROPERLY,AND THIS IS THE DAMN TOPIC OF THE THREAD,NOBODY GIVES A SHIT IF AN ENHARMONIC INTERVALS SOUNDS THE SAME NO MATTER HOW U CALL IT, THEY HAVE TO BE NAMED CORRECTLY!
IT USELESS THAT U DIGRESS AND GO OFF TOPIC
tHE GUY ASKED HOW TO MEMORIZE INTERVALS A ND STAETED POSTING SHITTY GRIDS WITHOUT SHARPS BECAUSE ,ACCORDING TO HIS STUPID MIND, HE CAN USE ONLY FLATS
OK, THAEN FUCKING USE ONLY FLATS, U WON T FUCKING LEARN ANYTHING
THEORETICALLY U CAN USE NUMBERS TO SAY THAT BETWEEN 2 AND 5 THERES A PERFECT FOURTH,DOES IT MEAN THAT IF I ASK THAT GUY WHAT THE PERFECT FOURTH OF G SHARP IS, HE'LL BE ABLE TO TELL ME IT S C SHARP?
NO
DOES IT MEAN THAT IF I SHOW HIM AN A FLAT AND AN E SHARP HE WILL BE ABLE TO TELL ME IT S A DOUBLE AUGMENTED FIFTH?
NO!
BUT WHO GIVES A FUCK, THERE S THE PIANO ROLL
WELL, SO DONT EVEN FUCKING BOTHER ASKING HOW TO MEMORIZE INTERVALS,BECAUSE WITH THE PAINO ROLL U DON T NEED THEM, RIGHT?AFTER ALL AN G SHARP AND AN A FLAT ARE THE SAME THING.

 

when did i say that intervals are degrees,moron?

 

I've spent pages telling why this is a wrong assumption and why you're mistaking degrees with intervals and you keep doing the same thing.

He stated he only wanted to use flats, just like I prefer using all sharps. Again, I told you this is perfectly normal because, once again, we're talking about INTERVALS, which means there are no degrees or tonality for that matter. For some strange reason, you keep associating all life on earth to tonality... ...

The 2 and the 5 are degrees of a scale, not intervals. If someone tells me to play a note and a 2 and a b5 above that, I know exactly what notes to play. No need to include any keys, tonalities and all that useless crap because.... intervals are not scales.

Well, I've answered this a dozen times, you can go back if you really want to understand.

 

Look at your last post, you keep mixing them up, dickhead