How to fill the lines with notes elegantly?

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  1. Aileron

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    "Notes" you say? To me they look like grapes. :shalom:
     
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    Start small and then think big. Let's write for our string section first. We are in the key of C Major and have two Violins, Viola and Cello. Write a simple melody for the first Violin. Figure out what what chords your melody is implying. Now harmonize it. Pay close attention to the Alto clef for Viola. It looks like a mustache turned on it's side. Now don't just give the Cello root notes. Try first and second inversions of your chords.

    Now write a counter melody using Oboe, Clarinet or even Bassoon. Beautiful sounding instruments.

    For Trombones, Harp and Kettle drum, just put a rest there. Nobody wants to hear them anyway. Piccolo, same thing. Can't stand the screeching.

    Do that, post it and we will continue working on your Symphony!
     
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    That's quite an ask.

    If I had to do something quick, I would just steal something constrained and change it with a bit of dissonance and discordance to make it more Romantic and contemporary.

    If you had years, well, how and what has always been the fly in the ointment. Once you get started it feeds itself. I would stay away from the bombastic though, it's very boring and overdone.

    Handel HWV 440 in Bb sarabande , with the flourish and discords found in Rachmaninov's Prelude Op 23 Bb both already in key and can stand up to multipart arrangements.

    They've both been ripped off so much you would joining a large club, not to mention Rachmaninov himself has taken some large liberties in parts with HWV 440 as inspiration in that prelude.
     
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    So, that's how the sheep jumped over the moon!
     
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    Before all, I would ask you: what do you know of music theory?
    I mean, unless you want ( and you don't, apparently) jot down few chords, I guess you need years of study and preparation to "elegantly" fill down those notes you require.
    (Classical) composition is the last of the ring you have to cross before all the rest.

    Repetition: the comparison you did is pointless.
    I can enjoy those repetitive 3 chords at times and Bela Bartok (all but repetitive) at other times, I don't feel the urge to compare them.

    Off topic: Barton is great, but Siloti piano arrangement is better to my taste.
     
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    Wait, was there anyone not confused from the start? :rofl:
    Do you want it Elegantly or not? First things first...
     
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    I want it sort of roughly, but with an underlying tenderness.
     
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    I have to admit, I've not really considered it from that angle but you're right.
     
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    I'm glad to see there are still some classically trained musicians like Jmoutton and Moogerfooger on the board.
    A lot of smart people on here!:wink:

    We need more information from you to help. It's a strange question.

    Could I write it? Yes. Would I? Probably not. I prefer string quartets, if I'm writing in that style.
    How would I write it? I would remind myself that I was writing for an orchestra, have a drink, and then listen to what's in my head. I'm not trying to be flippant. Orchestration is a skill but it still begins with a melody and chord movement.
     
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    OK, maybe I'm going off on a limb here, but has anybody noticed how Glori rhymes with Foster?

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    Write one Bass note.. (but don't mistake the Clef..)

    Wait for the next Composer AI to do it for you, take credit :wink:
    (but feed it the note! otherwise it won't be your own special geeneeows creation..)
     
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    We are aren't we?

    Up to page two now...
    we're all really doing this?!?
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    That's right, WE ARE DOING THIS! RAAAWWWWWRRRR
     
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    Piccolos and trumpets and oboes and all that stuff are all well and good ... but you really need to get with the times, it's 2023 don'tcha know!

    Push the button is where it's at ... don't even bother notating where to push the button, just set some automation.

    Job's a good 'un .... hope that helps.

    And don't forget to post a copy of your opus asking for feedback!
     
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    I saw this coming.
    So, your not really asking a question, your thread is just a pretext to make a point...
    Smells like foster spirit...

    Define elegance to begin with....
     
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    Answer:
    Then, you can concentrate on feelings.
    Listen to BB King. This must be horrible for you, he is able to play a solo with mainly one note.
    But yet, make people feel .
    I ain't see no psychological issue in this.

    Where I see psychological issue is when someone try to reduce art to one way only and dismiss a lot of other ways of expression.
    I love part of classical music, and I love BB King, and house music, and Prince, and Thelonius Monk, Archie Shepp, etc...
    Every genre have his way , and in every genre there maybe a song that speak to your heart and soul.

    Psychological issue is to be blind at heart / art.
     
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    Oly is right, this kind of elitist snobbery has no place in the actual art of music. The greatest composers throughout history have always placed emotional impact over theory and rules.

    “To play a wrong note is insignificant; to play without passion is inexcusable.”

    ― Ludwig van Beethoven
     
  20. Glori

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    Sir, I got your point and appreciate about that but, notes and feelings are 2 different entities. Can staff lines be filled with feelings and emotions?

    Interrelation among notes are absolute and feelings can not be attached to them. A composer can select any note for any moment but when he tries to combine them, he doesn't have much choice and must respect the the laws of strong dependence that exist between them.

    Is the composer the one who governs the relationship between the notes? No, he's nothing more that an obedient who just discovers them that have been hard-wired by the nature to our brains.
     
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