maybe they trolling us
but also they must have started getting the software from somewhere first, and sister's site has been helping a lot of people to get the programs and sounds

 

I used to pickup Audiosex.pro on my CB radio back in the 1970's, breaker, breaker...

 

the internet is just a means of communication, not the content that travels on the means of communication. Those have varied from Usenet, to the world wide web (the www in most url's) - and in innovative and maddening uses of sub technologies within those areas, like Flash animations and videos, which were a very big and real thing a decade or so ago, and now invisible dust. That rate of change, diminishes everything created to work within that technology. the instant attention and the instant obsolences, inflates and destroys everything it touches. Real art and music lasted centuries, now we have these, fads, phenomenas, and sensations that blow up and a year later are memes, relics and samples for The Next Big Thing (copyright useless software and Future Industries 2029).

The only way to build income is to become bigger than your niche, and that usually means tying yourself to something else, you make music and you make a short film to create synergy, or a video game, or wear a really stupid pair of shoes in your video, and you sell the shoes that you wrote the music and made the video for to people who saw the video and liked the music. you have to be a musician, and a computer expert, and a publicity expert and a creative fucker who can tie all that shit together and stay motivated and move forward, and make some money to live on while you continue to work your ass off trying throw things together and see what works while selling your mistakes on Ebay or wherever..

This economy is not working so well for most people, these tools allow more people to make things, but they sell for less or not at all, the new economy , the information age is a wet fuse sputtering in the rain. The answer must be discovered by ourselves, through trial and error, for the experts have all turned out to be morons or hucksters, and we are once again forced to fumble our ways forward and create tomorrows world for ourselves.. its good to be independent, but also crucial to have a network of friends and acquaintances.

 

Of the tiny % of the world trade related to music about 1% of musicians get the 90% of the share avialable. Speaking of that 1% you could see some of them yesterday at grammys a celebration of the music industry which mostly gives prizes for sales instead of quality.

 

the Grammys would make me burn my television, if I owned one. I knew a guy who won a Grammy, he was a great pedal steel player, he worked on medical imaging equipment to make a living. so much for a Grammy meaning virtually anything as far as income or opportunities...

 

The Grammies are the bottom of the awards barrel and it's a low bar. Grammy voters are the ones that decided Jethro Tull was more metal than Metallica. No diss to Tull, they didn't even show up because it was ludicrous. I think no one was more embarrassed than Ian Anderson. (And that particular album was utter sht. Ian thought he was Mark Knopfler on that album. He wasn't.)

 

Tull actually made a damn good metal album- in 1975.

 

The ones who were making it decades ago are still making $$ off re-issues and remixes because the content is better than most junk released these days. The loudness war has destroyed so much content since it all began and still continues to this day.

I still don't recall when/how gangsters, thugs, and murderers became "music artists". 99% of them can't sing a note or create a harmony to save their asses. Yet the buying public still laps that shit up like catnip.

EDM is EDM in all its various forms and hasn't really evolved much since it's inception. There are still vistas that can be explored in that realm but I don't hear much innovation because everyone producing EDM anymore seems to be competing with redundancy and mediocrity. The same can be said for so-called pop music. Pretty much none of it comes from the soul anymore. It's all crafted for demographics and genre appeal in an attempt to create the maximum return on profit for the record exec's and minimum return for the creators of the content.

The sheer volume of stuff that is made available these days dwarfs the amounts from back in the day because everyone and their dog and cat have access to superior tools to produce tracks. Most of it doesn't belong seeing the light of day. I must say that I cannot understand why someone would release total shit out into the wild. I spend months on a single track and would never consider letting it out of my sight unless I was convinced it was finished and truly demonstrative of what I was trying to say. My guess is of all the single person producers out there it's probably a safe bet that there is some truly innovative and soulful stuff that is being made that never sees the light of day. This is the stuff that should be making it to the large distribution channels, but the current paradigm of the "music industry" seems hell bent at keeping cheapness and mediocrity on the front burner. Unless the paradigm changes, true artists that actually have something to say, and strive to create something really unique will be kept down and away from the masses.

 

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That's what I was saying, the grammys are a showcase of the richiest persons in the music industry its not about quality... It's irrelevant in terms of musicianship. But well I think that there are relevant contests only related to classical music, for the other genres nothing, it doesn't exist something like a Nobel Prize of music

 

Right now 0€.... But I want to be a Piano, Organ or Harpsichord teacher in the future..... Then I think... I can get 60€ per lesson or something like that.

 

I was on the internet in the 1990's, there were no artist selling things, unless you count porn and that was free even then. I think your viewpoint might be slightly biased....

 

about tree-fiddy.

 

Zero but the fun I'm having while composing/producing has no price.

 

This is a place to talk about our shared love of music, related technical skills and gear plus a place to make friends. Perhaps YOU wouldn't be here if you were supporting yourself with your music, but can you realistically speak for others about this? Really?

 

I second this.

What makes it worse is the very small sweet spot for artists who started to make a living out of their projects. It is difficult if the band plays only in relatively small venues with let's say space for 300-500 people all the time. But the venues for over 2000 people are too big to be profitable. I've seen quite a few projects dying (or get lost in "hobbyist" projects again), because of the lack of venues in between.

 

I sacrificed 15 years of my life for it, and every moment sucked. It is doable, but I do not recommend it. To go any higher than this, you need to join certain "clubs" which I refuse to do.

Some months are high income, some a little lower.

Yes, the music industry completely sucks from a financial point of view, but the people at the top and near it are still making immense profits. I get a small trickle of that stream.

 

OT, but:
-20€

It´s a expensive but super good Hobby without incom.

 

Tull was interesting - the early albums where it was jazz and rock mixed together were quite entertaining and not like much else I'd ever heard in the good ol USA.
Tull Albums of note....
This Was
Standup
Benefit
Aqualung
were my favorites for many years, still listen to them.

if you are bored and need to hear something old but new.

try "Serenade for a Cuckoo" from the album "This Was"

I recomend

 

There are 3 groups of people: The first group does something. The second group watches what the first group does and the third group has no idea what is going on. Which group do you belong to?

When will you start to grow up and take matters into your own hands and get something going instead of working on things that you won't be able to change anyway. Become a practitioner and start something of your own or join an existing project or group.

 

(Temporary o/t) Tull was my favorite band growing up. Had every album up until Crest of a Knave, ironically, where I got off the boat. I've seen them probably 20 or 30 times down through the years. Thick as a Brick and Passion Play were my favorite albums but I really enjoyed the early stuff as well.

I even did a cover of To Cry You a Song last year just for funsies.