How do avoid that annoying "crack" sound when using VolumeShaper or LFO TOOL ?

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  1. tafelrunde

    tafelrunde Member

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    I use LFO Tool and VolumeShaper a lot for that sidechain effect.

    But often there is a "crack" sound.

    I think it is because of the very fast downwards envelope (in the LFO Tool or VolumeShaper) at the end of the circle - but you have to have these envelopes sometimes. Otherwise you would cut and destroy the sound.

    I know some might say "use a Lowpass Filter" in order to get rid of this crack sound. Sometimes this does work. Very often it doesnt tho, because the crack sound is not only in the higher frequencies.

    R u guys familiar with this problem? Do you have a tip on this?

    thanks!

     
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  3. stevitch

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    Increase the buffer size of your DAW?
     
  4. jayxflash

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    Use a shape like this (start from max, not from min).

    For clean sub basses, I simply design the sidechain effect in the midi region itself (by sending volume information shaped like below) - so it affects the volume of the synth therefore 0 clicks & pops.

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  5. 23322332

    23322332 Rock Star

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    You can hear clicks from sidechaining even in mainstream EDM tracks that are supposed to be mixed by people who know are they doing...
     
  6. SineWave

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    If the track is not bassy, you can get rid of the click with a highpass filter actually. HPF acts like a DC offset remover. If you set it to 30-50Hz with a 24dB slope or more it actually shouldn't cut a lot of the bass.
     
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  7. n0xin

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    just be sure that your attack and release are not to steep.
     
  8. fraifikmushi

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    With LFO Tool it's usually the release that's too steep.
     
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    Are you triggering it with midi, If your beat isnt 4 on the floor, try changing the MIDI note retrig to ENV and the rate to 1 bar. As well as nudging the release node over just a hair.

    I forgot to say with LFO Tool
     
  11. Mostwest

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    make a slightly curve at the end of the graph or at the start. cheers
     
  12. SmokerNzt

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    just play with a "Smooth" 21 , it will remove that Click Cracking Sound
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  13. Baxter

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    No one has adressed why there is a click. The click occurs because of the very fast amplitude changes that happens, just like when you set start-point on a low sine at maximum amplitude.

    Just gently fade/slope the end-point amplitude (far right) so that it matches the start amplitude (far left). Same reason why you add some amp attack and release to remove the clicks when you play a low sine wave (sub bass).

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  14. Cav Emp

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    What I do, to avoid having any sort of transient from the bass, is to have a dropoff at the end of the envelope so that the bar starts off with the bass suppressed.

    And yeah Baxter covered the important part. The slope is too steep. Give it a couple milliseconds to drop off and it should be better.
     
  15. Iodice

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    It´s, because your attack is so fast. You have to slow the attack a few ms .
    When crack is on release (sound design in general), the release time is so short, you need to increase the release time a few ms.
    In LFOtool you can use the ¨smooth¨ function to soft the click
     
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