Help With Scales

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  1. DJK

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    hi, well i know some music theory but im stuck, im working on a track and im using some midi files which are labled D# so how do you know if its D# major or D# minor? and what mode its in, i use push 2 but it only has flats and no sharps, i know all the usual major and minor scales, if its D# is that major or minor or is d# minor, any help would be gr8 thx
     
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  3. Lieglein

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    Big letters are usually major and small letters minor. But as you know all the usual major and minor scales you know that there is no D#-major. So the question is where is it labeled? What labels the scale of this midi-file?
     
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  4. exr777

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    Actually d# major does not exist. Eb.
    Look for the chords. If the g is natural its Eb major if g is flat, then its Eb minor.
     
  5. DJK

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    E natural? That looks like its c# minor
    But only 4 notes... it could be many things.
     
  7. DJK

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    got an app on my phone and the only scale i see with those notes is D# Phrygian
     
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    Those 4 notes can be many things.
    D# phrygian is the 3rd mode of B major
     
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    Just some suggestions:

    1. There are programs like Scaler and Midi Player 5 (which you can download for free here: http://falcosoft.hu/softwares.html#midiplayer) that inform you about the scale with a click. You load the midi file, press the scale button and you get the information.

    2. Because I am a bad keyboard player, I hate black keys. I usually transpose such midi files to an easier key using Synthfont2, which you can find on the sister site here: https://audioz.download/software/win/146249-download_synthfont2-v2100-laxity.html. With only 2 clicks you can transpose the whole midi file from D# to D or any other key.
    (Of course you can do that using your DAW, but this is much easier!)
     
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    thx zikkk:thumbsup:
     
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    "Hate the Black keys"? Not only are they a great band but also the absolute spice of the musical instrument... Drop and give me 20, the rest of this thread is on probation
     
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    Before I learned the scales this app helped me tremendously. I highly suggest you check it out. It's called Piano Companion. It's not just for piano. It will help you to identify scales and chords, make chord progressions and has a nice wheel of fifths.

    Also, unless a scale has a m in it, it's safe to assume it's major. Minor scales will always have a lower case m in the name (i.e. Am).

    As someone previously mentioned, the name Eb is more commonly used instead of D#. Seriously dude, go grab yourself a wheel of fifths and study it. There's a lot of useful information you can learn from it.
     
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  13. scott

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    its in e flat minor
     
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    Many thanks for those useful softs...anyone knows if it exists the same kind for MAC? I checked both websites:it is definitely for Windows...
    Thanks for your help guys!
    Cheers
     
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    It's B major key
     
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    1.Bmaj
    2.C#minor
    3.D#minor
    4.Emaj
    5.F#dominant
    6.G#min
    7.A#min7b5
     
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    The first 3 notes D# are tonic 3.D#F#A#C# chord
    Then the F# is V7 ,F#A#C#E
    Then it goes down to E ( same chord
    Then it goes down to C# the9th of I
     
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    Now you can build it out in different ways.
    That first one I gave you is common consonance and dissonance .
    But you could organize it differently also
    Depends what your ear likes.
    Let's say you wanted to organize it on UNITY
    Instead .
    That type of structure works like this.
    E major on the bottom octave .

    And then
    C#minor
    D#minor
    F# dominant
    A#min7b5

    Can all be played in top octave while the EMajor chords rings out on the bottom.
    This means you never have dissonance , only consonance.
    This is UNITY
    It means those top chords options are all just flavors of EMajor the whole time
     
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    Let me know if you want me to talk about anything else, otherwise I won't bug you haha lol
     
  21. notsoloud

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    I don't know anything about music. You'd think after forty years, I'd have something to share, but my posts get taken down.
     
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