Hello Everyone.

Long time reader, first time participant here on AudioSex.

Hoping someone can help me me out with a problem I am having with the Roland Cloud D-50 synthesizer and some presets I have downloaded off the Web.

The problem has been discussed in another thread with another primary purpose and it was in 2017, so I thought a new thread would be best. Kindly see this link to see the old mention of the problem: https://audiosex.pro/threads/massiv...bin-preset-banks-fantastic.30967/#post-288144

I will state the problem once again in here. I use Windows 10 and a various DAWs including: Ableton, FL Studio and Reaper and the problem seems unrelated to the DAW being used. I had a perfectly fine and functioning installation of the Roland D-50 and in my memory I had not made any recent updates to it specifically when the problem showed up. All presets (to my knowledge, there are many in there...) were working fine and showing up in the browser. Then, out of the blue the vast majority of them were missing from the preset browser and I had only presets preceded by a ~ (tilde). I recognized these as new presets that have arrived with various synths in the Roland Cloud suite.

Wondering where the rest were, I went into the directories to take a look in:
C:\ProgramData\Roland Cloud\D-50
And, behold, they are all in there, but their extentions have been changed to .BAK from the original .BIN. So I change them to BIN again. Next time I launch the D-50 none of them show up and they have been renamed as BAK again.

EDIT: Sorry, forgot to write the version of the D-50 VST, which is: 1.12 (0040 64-bit)

BTW. I am pretty sure these BIN presets files are all or mostly from https://www.cultofd50.org/

I seriously have no idea how this came about to happening. As I stated, I have no recollection of updating D-50. However, I have updated all Roland synths to the newer browser and ~ naming convention and no problems there. But that is probably mostly to do with the fact I only have factory presets in those other synthesizers.

I tried renaming them all (or just a few, in some trials) as BIN again and then using Windows Explorer to set their property value to "Read Only" with no effect. Perhaps some deeper user permission settings are needed as I can only suspect the VST is running with some system privileges and taking control of these files so set them as BAK each time D-50 is launched.

Help!

Any input is appreciated, as are questions that may probe my memory a bit as to what can possibly have changed to cause this. The linked AudioSex thread has a few post about the problem, but they seem to have resolved it and their solution is not working for me, but that was in 2017. It was literally "one day it was working. Didn't touch D-50 for quite a while. Next time I launched it I had this problem." And this happened...about...3 months ago...I think...

Thanks for reading and keep hammering those keys!

 

IIRC if you haven't imported them into the plugin, and instead just put the files there, the plugin will rename them so they don't show up in the preset browser.

Instead of copying the files there manually, import them using the plugin (which will put the file where it expects) and they should stay available.

 

Thanks for the reply. This sounded promising until I realized I am not sure how to import. I assume you mean Patch -> Load -> [select BIN preset file].
(Yes, the file had been renamed from "01-D50.BAK" to its original "01-D50.BIN" before trying to load.)
This did not work and threw a "The file could not be read" error. Hmmm. At least this is a step forward. It seems the file cannot be read. Perhaps something to do with the internal BIN checksum mentioned in the old thread.

But I still wonder: how did this behavior suddenly change when it was all fine for years before?

BTW, I love the new ~Presets, but I so very much want those old presets back because they are part of several projects.

 

I should have mentioned earlier that my Roland Cloud is from the Sister Site and courtesy of R2R Roland Cloud Emulator

 

Yes - once a bank has been loaded, it stays in the bank list in the menu.

 

If I may bother you some more while I seemingly have your attention:
Can you confirm that you have this same version of D-50 running with 3rd party presets functioning normally among the factory ones?

Or anyone? Can anyone confirm they are not having this problem? ie: you just dumped the presets in there and it just works.

 

Mine is working fine.
Maybe 2 years ago I DID have an issue with the renaming as you say, but i can not recall what I did to fix it, BUT I did NOT have to import anything.

OK I found something that might be useful:
https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8650803#p8650803
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Q: I have a problem with the D-50 plugin.

After a new installation of Windows 11 on my new SSD, the factory presets 1 Preset.bin - 6 Preset.bin are not installed with the D-50. I backed up the ProgramData/Roland Cloud folder before reinstalling.

If I now copy the saved Presets 1 Preset.bin - 6 Preset.bin to the new system and start the D-50, the files Presets 1 Preset.bin - 6 Preset.bin are renamed to Presets 1 Preset.bak - 6 Preset.bak.

Only when I set the files to read-only do the presets work again. That can't be right somehow, can it? The additional banks that I can download from the cloud work without problems.

A: Delete all banks, or back up them. Reinstall D50, open it first (it then install the factory banks) and then add 3rd party / addon banks.
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Last edited: Jan 8, 2025 at 4:09 AM