Guys this metallic sound! how ?

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  1. safwen baya

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    TUBE, TRANSISTOR, TAPE analog distortion on short blip type drum samples (you can use real gear or plugins to do it)
    the 808 type drum gives the rubbery metallic sound (with stacked transistor harmonics like neve console then into tape machine pushed)
    the dist synths try playing with saw waves , into variable low pass filter passed into analog distortions
     
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    If youre talking about that metallic ringy ambience, Im not sure exactly how they set it up, but im pretty sure the foundation of is one of two things:

    a combination of a very short delay (<20 ms probably) with the feedback turned up and a reverb after it.

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    A convolution reverb/convolver with a very sustained, metallic impulse loaded up. You could probably make a sound like this with izotope trash 2 and either a reverb after the convolver or very clever use of its built in delay

    The more i listen, the more i think it's the latter. Im listening on ear buds right now, but im almost sure the metal vibe is coming from the reverb, and theres a hell of a lot of it on there.it doesnt sound like the kind of metallic twang you get from the short delay trick, but the reverb could be changing quite a lot
     
  5. Blorg

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    Like @Cav Emp said, short delay (tweak delay time to tune the pitch) on just abut anything (using a generic kick here, but doesn't really matter much), feed that into some sort of distortion, filter to taste, rinse & repeat (with another iteration of delay/distortion) until it sounds too shitty, then back off a bit.


    You're not quite sure what any of that means, am I right? Haven't been within spittin' distance of a Neve, that for shoo.
     
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    Well i dont know shit about transistor harmonics or neve consoles but FWIW i think mjm misunderstood the question and was talking about the kick at the beginning, which also sounds slightly metallic. Based on his answer I doubt he listened long enough to hear what OP was asking about
     
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    ^^
    [​IMG]
    Could you elaborate on what "stacked transistor harmonics" are, and why OP must use Neve stacked transistor harmonics, in particular? Would a Trident console do? Haz it not enough ̶p̶a̶r̶r̶o̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶b̶u̶l̶l̶s̶h̶i̶t̶ analogues?
    This is all so new and interesting, I hunger to learn...
     
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    Now don't be mean to the loonies. There is a system of using stacked zener diodes with an inductor to create the negative feedback for use in transistor amplifiers.

    I'd use a resonating short delay (shorter than 30ms/Hass threshold) to get that twangy rubbery metallic sound.

    [​IMG]

    This is how I like mine stacked. Straight after the gig.
     
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    Vacuum tubes – Advantages
    • Clipping is smooth, which is widely considered more musical than transistors
    • Tolerant of overloads and voltage spikes
    • Wider dynamic range than typical transistor circuits, thanks to higher operating voltages
    • more info in the full article

    Transistors – Advantages
    • Tendency toward higher distortion than equivalent tubes
    • Sharp clipping, in a manner widely considered non-musical, due to considerable negative feedback commonly used
    • more info in the full article
    Further reading explains in detail the effects that harmonics have on sound coloration:

    " The primary color characteristic of an instrument is determined by the strength of the first few harmonics. … The odd harmonics (third and fifth) produce a "stopped" or "covered" sound. The even harmonics (second, fourth, and sixth) produce "choral" or "singing" sounds. The second and third harmonics are the most important from the viewpoint of the electronic distortion graphs in the previous section. Musically the second is an octave above the fundamental and is almost inaudible; yet it adds body to the sound, making it fuller. The third is termed quint or musical twelfth. It produces a sound many musicians refer to as "blanketed." Instead of making the tone fuller, a strong third actually gives the sound a metallic quality that gets annoying in character as its amplitude increases. A strong second with a strong third tends to open the "covered" effect. Adding the fourth and fifth to this changes the sound to an "open horn" like character. "

    " The higher harmonics, above the seventh, give the tone "edge" or "bite." Provided the edge is balanced to the basic musical tone, it tends to reinforce the fundamental, giving the sound a sharp attack quality. Many of the edge harmonics are musically unrelated pitches such as the seventh, ninth, and eleventh. Therefore, too much edge can produce a raspy dissonant quality. Since the ear seems very sensitive to the edge harmonics, controlling their amplitude is of paramount importance."


    See Here for full details, i'll probably make a new thread
    http://www.theaudioarchive.com/TAA_Resources_Tubes_versus_Solid_State.htm
     
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    I got it Broowsss i just choose an already kind of metallic snare and put it in an 4/4 midi clip and this plugin PSP Audioware Stomp Delay did the rest really ! short delay ,tweakin with filters and a reverb got me where i needed to be ! Thank you all
     
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    Okay now i have a question

    Why is that sound type called "rubbery"?

    Metal and rubber don't have much in common, physically or sonically.... I mean... right?
     
  12. Blorg

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    Maybe rubbery metallic sound = oatmeal raisin cookie. Both oatmealy & raisiny (compound)?
     
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