Goniometer

Discussion in 'Mixing and Mastering' started by Rolma, Mar 25, 2012.

  1. Rolma

    Rolma Guest

    How to read a goniometer?
    Lately I tend to read more what's going on with my levels and frequencies for that I use several built-in meters.
    But I don't understand what represents the goniometer. :wow:
    Anyone uses it? Is it referring to some spatial-stereo stuff?
    Is any particular set of meters more accurate than average?
    Thanks
     

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  3. Studio 555

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    @ Rolma,

    I'm not a regular user of this kind of tools... but it's exactly what you say : it refers to the repartition of your sound, music, mix,... in the stereo field. It can be helpful to get an idea (visually) in some cases where your stuff (mix, music, sound,... ) tends to the left or right side of the stereo field. This way you can correct it with this kind of tool.
    It also seems to me that it can indicates you the loudness of the material involved (music, mix, sound... ) by the more or less big representation that you get visually (I'm not totally sure of that, so this should be checked !).​
     
  4. ZUK

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    A well correlated stereo track will be ovular and centered around the vertical axis. A phase cancelled track will be centered around the horizontal axis.

    Goniometer
    I use the goniometer rarely, but I check it at least once while I’m mastering. The goniometer is sort of a phase meter. It tells you if your track has any phase problems. If the track stays somewhat in the middle, with no parts creating any weirdness you should be fine.
    Another way to check is the correlation meter below. If the meter is close to all the way to the right, you shouldn’t be having any phase problems.
    The reason I say I use the goniometer more while mastering rather than mixing is that while I’m mixing, I’d rather flip the output to mono and listen that way instead of relying on the meter. Since I’m mixing I’ll have more control over the individual elements of the mix. So if I flip the song into mono and something just vanishes from the mix, I know I have some phase problems. And since I’m mixing, I can go back to that instrument and fix it right then and there.
    But if you’re mastering, you have less control over all the elements of the mix, and you’re almost screwed if the track you’re mastering has massive phase problems, since you can’t go back and fix it.

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  5. One Reason

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    bookmarked. :mates:
     
  6. Rolma

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    Thank you very much really useful info.
     
  7. ZUK

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    Another interesting tool is VOXENGO PHA-979, its a plugins that's allow track phase alignment.
    But it's built with a multi-band analog-style correlation meter.
    These can be useful to see on frequency range 20 - 20khz if stay in mono/stereo - inphase/outphase.
    Remember that Bassdrum and Bassline, for example (20-100/120 hz) should be in mono = in phase = +1
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    An another way to see what is Mono and Stereo (mid-side) is using Voxengo Gliss EQ (i love these plug).
    On routing select mid-side, at bottom you have the groups mid-side, above underlay to select what you see on the group. On Mid - underlay Side. On Side - underlay Mid.
    Finally you have an spectrum analyzer to see what is mono-stereo (mid-side).

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  8. Rolma

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    Don't call me basic but for Bassdrums and bass I cut the freq (30-50hz) with a single band tool !
    And I make sure it's not much activity there...some times I shave it even more with a parallel compression with negative value..(kitchen stuff....I know that affects the whole sound its not for what meants to be )
    Must be very bad what I do!
    I'll start to use Voxengo pluggs for my readings I'm learning this stuff :)

    P.S
    Wow! using the pha-979+Correlation meter I can see the phase of my sounds as never I've thought(I've been blind to this...)
    Force the mono, centering etc

    Thanks again zukunft
    So happy to ask !
     
  9. One Reason

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    Rolma.. still lookin' out for ya on YM... u should get out of the kitchen once in a while, there's a world out here my dear.. :mates:

    Maybe.. a duet? :grooves: :thumbsup:
     
  10. Rolma

    Rolma Guest

    *yes* A duet ...pass me some audio!Always,I have time for this. :hug:
    Anyways you can learn so many things in da kitchen! (mysteries almost!)
     
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