Ok, so its been in the back of my head for a while now, but now im really getting serious about my music career. so most of us here (i think) pirate software for private use and to demo stuff to see if we like it or not and to practice craft blah blah blah...

But. we all know we cant be legitimate producers,Djs,composers etc with pirated software, unless of course your a complete thief or douchebag, anyway my question and current mind boggling stresser is... HOW?

I work a full time job,work paycheck to paycheck have a wife and kid. how does one make the extra cash to obtain software and hardware with absolutely no breathing room for money? ive heard some people use the pirated software to make money so they can later buy the software they used to make the music they started with, but to me that feels wrong...i dunno im stuck talk to me people

 

A conscience.. wow... thought they were extinct... good on ya mate... but good luck too.

 

Most of my friends in the business have a separate crate.
15 to 20% of the whole music income goes to : staying modern. can be for hardware, software, computer improvement.

If you're sure of where you're going, a bank can lend you money, just be realistic on what you're buying and can reimburse.

Personally I don't download warez anymore : i tried a lot of stuffs, and by now, I just use 6 or 7 plugins I didn't pay. I bought a few plugins too . They feel a bit better (since i have less remorse) so i know them better. You don't need a hundred plugins anyway. I save some money to buy the 6 or 7 I still need (ni komplete should set me up almost completely by now, and on the long run it's cheap...). I use more and more hardware too. (analog synth and drumbox, synth,...)

 

Refreshing to see. I had same issue, my path was to purchase my DAW first and I am slowly building up plug ins as I go.

 

I only buy discounted software, I also won some stuff in contests.

But you have to have some money, other way you wouldnt have been able to buy studio monitors, decent headphones, a good PC, an audio interface, etc... Or havent you? If you were able to buy the hardware, then you'll be able to buy the software as well.

Try to reduce the list of stuff you use. Perhabs there is no need to have 10 synths and 50 sample packs, maybe 2 synths and 10 sample packs would do the same job, and it would cost a lot less money to buy them.

Try to search for alternatives. Maybe you are so used to download all the cracked stuff, that you didnt realize there are also some free (or cheaper) alternatives. For example there are very good reverb plugins aviable for free, so you may dont need a plugin worth 200€/$

 

If you can save like 25-50 euro a month then every 2-3 months you can have nice VST.

 

You Can't... all the stuff that you need to make good quality Music there is no way some one can buy it unless you win the Lottery or you have a Rich Daddy or you have a Job Making a Hundred Grand a Year for example a would say at lest 85 to 90 present of the rappers were Gangsters/Dope Boy's and Not saying that is rite But and thats how they started there Rap corers using Drug Money But after they Make Big they Help others my Plane is if i am fortunate enough to Sale my Music/Beat's is to start buying/paying for the software that's all you can do think of it like a IOU a promise Note Good Luck Bro

 

Dude, theres something called a dot. You can put it on the end of a sentence, than the text is much easier to read for others...

However, I think what you say is bullshit!

Okay first: You can get a decent setup for a few thousand dollars/euros/pound, even if you dont have much money, thats a goal you can reach. It may take time, but its possible.
Unless quality music means to you, you have to have a full studio for half a million bucks... But honestly, how many producers have such a studio at the beginning, but are still able to make good music?

?... who talked about rappers?

Also Im pretty sure being a Gangster/dope boy is not an option for a man with a full time job, a wife and a kid. Just saying...

If you're alright with that... But its not ALL you can do.

However, I guess its a personal decision. Im pretty sure unless you arent as stupid as Avicii or Steve Aoki you can use illegal stuff without getting caught.

 

Well your job is already 1000x harder with a wife AND a kid. Congrats on your child.. and good luck man. I'd rather be called a theif or douchbag than broke! Legitimacy is not based on whether or not you use cracked software. Getting serious as in starting your own brand/label? You'll need every penny you can get your hands on. If you ever achieve a stable income with your music I really doubt you'd be buying a bunch of shit you already have. You'll have other priorities and I guarantee you won't spend your first $10,000 on waves because its the right thing to do .

I know its frowned upon but it seems as if these same people who "frown" can't produce shit themselves which is why they frown at the success of someone else's work. Pathetic if you ask me considering the fact that stealing is stealing no matter which way you look at it. If you installed cracked software then you stole from the developer, period. "It was just for practice.." No, you still have the full version without paying for it. You're a theif/douchebag already.

 

Hmmm right now i have a thought in my mind.
Is Obama and his Wall Street Administrators Pirates? Governments run war's, best example syria! Are they Pirates? Murders? what are they?

and you guys have worries about pirated software?

 

They are "legal criminals" in my mind, Lisa, and yes - in comparison all piracy is just peanuts because when they steal they steal resources from all the people, and mostly poor and poorest people who always get the shittiest side of the stick.

I often wonder how can that be... what kind of society is this when you can die from hunger or disease, beaten or who knows what, in the street, or in the gutter, in a dark alley... and nobody would notice. Even worse, those who do notice just turn their head and pretend like they don't.

Time is coming, slowly, when people will realise that something has to be changed.

 

Well i did not expect to see such a wide range of feelings on the matter.but i have found some good possible options for getting some good software (in my case)
sure it will still take a load of time but I'll get there.

ive laid out to get EWQL complete composers collection at tax return time, then i plan on getting NI Komplete both are really expensive but i have found ways to do payment plans for both. anyways keep the feedback coming, everyone's insight on the matter is interesting and helpful so thanks all!

 

I'm also one of those who test the software properly before buying. I don't like to waste money on software that isn't worth it and I don't use. I know people who buy many plugins but in the end they use only a few dozen of them [VSTi+VST] out of hundreds. That's completely stupid IMO, however, it does feed developers so it's not that bad. ;)

Cheers!

 

Like others here said, save money and invest. If you can't save, start studying for a new career that will allow this. Programming is one of those gigs worth studying for.

Also don't confuse "need" with "greed". If you're on Mac, Logic is all you need. For PC, there are DAWs with complete tools like Sonar, FL Studio. You don't HAVE to use ProTools, Cubase, Reason, etc. it's optional.

 

My main focus is composing for visual arts so im in that odd mid area.far as a DAW, im very happy with ableton 9 on pc so it wont cost all that much compared to others.

 

HA i just noticed this is in the "DJ" part of the forum.

 

Well … It's just a question of creativity and to studding what you need.

 

this is how i feel as well sure i have alot of amazing VSTs that if i bought all of them it might add up to be 20k or something ridiculous like that, but what do i actually need to write the music im writing break down the basics, get that stuff first and if im successful the rest comes later. of course its still VERY hard to get the basics...which is sort of my problem as i stated in the OP but still good point.

 

I was waiting for this, same old story: 'let's take something far more evil to justify our own bad behaviour'.

 

my thoughts as well, completely throws the subject out of context.