OK ,
1 :Definition of modulation : In music, modulation is the change from one tonality (tonic, or tonal center) to another. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modulation_(music)
2/ About secondary dominants : https://www.simplifyingtheory.com/secondary-dominants/
3/ About modal interchange and borrowed chords : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borrowed_chord
4/ "Inutil paisagem" harmonic analysis can be resumed to these chords, except for the chord in a second bar.
5/ If you pay attention to the melody, you notice that it stays diatonic for the most of it except in bar 2 : Whole note that is a chromatic approach to the next note.In bar 10 another chromatic approach lasting a 16th note . in bar 14 , the flat 3rd of a key that is absolutely not suggesting modulation either. So dude , tell me if it is so common to find songs that modulates, without having also the melody suggesting that the tune modulates ??? Coming back to ATTYA, the melody clearly implies changing tonal center. "ATTYA" is a great tune example that can be used for analysis because it contains lots of devices that you can find in lots of tunes. One of them is the "power" of 3rds . You play the melody of the first 8 bars just with the bass, and you hear the harmony. That was your free lesson, but from your words and attitude i strongly doubt that it will take you somewhere, because people like you prefer to stay vague, and attack on a personal level. Little souls. I do not give you my CV, i don't give a shit, neither do i give a shit about yours, your best CV is the crap that you write, pretending you know something. But maybe
you are ok as a musician, just do not know about the theory, which is not a problem by itself, just gets a probleme when someone pretends knowing about it when one does not. If it is your case keep playing and shut the f... about theory, harmony, and this kind of things, because the way you talk about it clearly shows that it is way beyond your understanding.

What do you disagree with, pathetic clown ?

 

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10 pages of discussion and what I learned is most people here are colossal douchebags.

 

@george31
Use the report button as the moderators said. Denali is Foster. Remember Foster the antagonist Pink Panther and his music if you can call it that? Do not feed the Do not reply or relegate him to ignore.

 

Inutil Paisagem is in Db.

A Lydian #5, B Melodic minor and D Dorian are utilized - a cycle of 4ths (dominants) is built around the last one.

That's all I'm going to say. Go figure.

 

Not in the context of "Smile". When C7 kicks in, E7(#9)(b9) it's exactly what's is played.

Should I retribute the adjectives? Would you understand it any better if I mimic your troll linguistics?

 

I'm gonna take a break. Meanwhile The Central Scrutinizer may keep ravaging the thread.

 

Well, your case is absolutely desperate , I pity you...
1/The version that you put online is in Ab.
2/Saying "Inutil Paisagem is in Db" does not mean anything because anytune can be played in different keys. It could have been OK saying "the original key of this tune is"... "The new real book 1" version is written in C, In the old real book it is written in Eb, Elis&Tom take it in Ab.
If you hear Db in this Elis &Tom version that is your problem, you may also hear voices or whatever.
3: The rest "A Lydian #5, B Melodic minor and D Dorian are utilized" does not means anything in this context ! No one talks like this. Yes you have a cycle of extended dominants, you could notice this. You know something ? Not knowing is never a problem, because we all start, and the more we know the more we discover to learn. Specially in the musical universe, there is and has been some giants since centuries.
But the one who is not honest with himself and pretend to know, this one's attitude is a huge problem. He will never learn because he closes himself. You proof that you are one of those poor soul.Saying BS, saying ridiculous things about tuning fork, bass dude and myself explained it to, you, but like a nasty little kid you ignore it and you pretend talking about things that you do not know about, reguritating terms you do not understand. You are miserable, I pity you. Bye, i stop wasting my energy, i leave you in your own darkness. Friday i have a gig and tunes to go through.

 

Wow ! This one is a gem ! DEAF, pretentious little kid .
NO Theory will ever help you if you can not HEAR .

 

Double fault :
1: What you say.does not mean anything : It could have been OK saying "instead of a C7 in measure .(whatever) they play a E7#9b9" .
2: It is not the case the band plays a C7b9 sound, and the second time the melody is sung you can hear the piano (same measure of the tune)
doing some voicings based on symmetrical dim scale, but absolutely not related to E7. Related to C7 : C7,Eb7,Gb7,A7. (b5,b9,#9 nat13 call this scale how you want it has lots of names, the names are not important, the sound is. Instantanely recognizable by ear with little training.
But the one that hears Db instead of Ab, and E7 instead of C7 might have a "little trouble" with this , as with anything related to musical craft.

 

How fortunate.
Thanks for the clarification.
All you're able to understand and presumably play are II/Vs and subdominant substitutions.
And you're the one supposed to pity someone?
Lamentable.

 

I rest my case on you. Your qualifications are in check. Have a good one Mr. Edipian Troll.

 

Learn 2 Read ! I never said that. You are so full of crap and darkness that you have to use the lie tool . You Know that in the law of most countries you get in trouble by saying that someone did or said something that he did not.
You drown yourself in your stinking poo, u r miserable. DEAF DARK DESPERATE HOPELESS TROLL.

 

Well, I can walk on a stage with no clothes on and induce a collective gasp in Dmaj7.

Foster was a mutant can of lager that believed it was human. A bit like Pinnocio but with bad breath and a burning hatred of music and all musicians...

 

Guys, I took care of the troll.
BUT
Freetobestolen and george31
There is no need to use this tone. Let's keep this conversation educated and cordial, please

 

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Even though certain that you've analysed the content priorly, please allow me to compendiate some of the good will, sense of humor and resourcefulness spreaded throughout the pages of this thread by our unblemished George31:

I don't give a shit about your misery, what bothers me is that this kind of absolute BS drags people down. Stay in your own poo, you don't need to share it's smell with others.

My turn to what? Making my self a clown Like you just did?

But here is a place where ignorant clowns come and give fake news about music theory, and say whatever bullshit. So one thing for you guys : stay in your own poo !

You can not hear, you can not play, you pretend to know but you are just pretending and showing how pretentious and miserable you are, poor clowns that spread fake news.

You are ignorant and deaf little clown.

In front of me talking about my mother would have give you a free holiday of some month in the hospital of your choice.

I do not give you my CV, i don't give a shit, neither do i give a shit about yours, your best CV is the crap that you write, pretending you know something.

You are miserable, I pity you.

 

Oly, have you considered creating a sub-category in Music education called THEORY? Perhaps even 3? This is short considering... It certainly will not remove every disagreement that is not possible. But it will put threads like this in a place where people who want analysis threads in their own category and away from performance threads and people who want to see it put into action by the author will look elsewhere.

It also gives forum people the ability to redirect or point others to this area correctly, or like you have moved some threads into humor, moderators can also move incorrect music education categorization into theory as well, or where relevant as needed.

1. Theory, 2. Theory put into practice by author demonstration, and practising/practice that is, 3. Instrument technique and teaching it, have different approaches and they're interrelated but nonetheless, different.

 

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No, I don't have time to read all threads content, sorry. But there is a report button, please use it.
But I have seen enough to ask you both, or better say all, to get more educated, don't go personal, and overall, don't make this an ego fight.

 

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Please, if you have suggestions about the site's structure or functionality, pm me.

 

I cannot see the post so they're obviously ignored and for the very reason you mentioned, lack of civility and inability to accept that nobody is ever always right. More people than me have torn them a new one.

 

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