End the Backwards Evolution in Tuning

Discussion in 'Working with Sound' started by Zealious, Jun 10, 2015.

  1. Zealious

    Zealious Kapellmeister

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    This is all true, and if you look a bit deeper you will realize that 432 hz is not in harmony with universe either...bc it is based on 365.25 days per year that does not provide proper fractions that can be synced with other planets, thus to be really in tune you will need to account for that

    A true mathemathical tuning with rest of the universe would be divisble with 360 days and seconds per day and that converted to our current measurement of herz...

    Personally i like to concentrate on the harmonies of notes instead, but i understand what you are talking about because slowing the master key down does calm you down so thank you for bringing that aspect up as well

    But you are absolutely correct, sound can and is being used as a weapon and it can be used as a method of ingesting harmony and elevating the health on this planet and affect peoples mood and states of mind

    So true what you said
     
  2. Zealious

    Zealious Kapellmeister

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    It is in no way silly question and thank you for asking.

    You will need to open these in the Scala software that can create custom scales for your synthesizer

    Save it as a Tun & Scala file depending on your synth.

    The better equipped synths like Serum and upcoming version of Spire can load these files in to them.

    When you choose to keep it: Depending on your synth you will just need to make sure it is set as a default.
     
  3. Zealious

    Zealious Kapellmeister

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    You are correct, even though most melodies will sound better with this scale, those created with ( a lot of or mostly of ) black keys, you will need to create a new scale that has a new root note

    The ratios given above however wil enable you to do this for yourself

    Most black key Equal Temperament chords sound so cool for the very reason that their corresponding ratios are closer to Proper Pythagorean Ratios than anywhere else on the scale

    so yes you will need to create a new scale with the given ratios above, and you will sound even way cooler.

    Thank you for bringing that up, you are absolutely correct in what you said.
     
  4. Herr Durr

    Herr Durr Guest

    William Burroughs once said language is a virus from outer space, maybe the big eyed grays brought music here,

    and explained it all to Pythagoras somewhere along the way, so I'll bow out of this one and be one of the peasants

    who just enjoys music in the lowly and small minded way that I do... thank God... :wink:
     
  5. Zealious

    Zealious Kapellmeister

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    i think that is the way we all should be able to enjoy music, and i hope we can enjoy music together regardless of how anyone categorizes us
     
  6. Zealious

    Zealious Kapellmeister

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    Hi there, and you are welcome

    Yes please do your testing with any sound that you like the best but for playing midi files like beethoven etc you would definetely want a good sounding piano

    For kontakt you will need to create your own script file ( under tunings in the scripts menu ) and adjust the corresponding differences in tuning by cents

    Then save that as a preset and default.... For quick reloading.

    and when you want it to all of your kontakt sounds, you will need to save each and every preset in your collection with mouse gesture recording software so you can automate the save process and drink sonething while waiting

    I will attach the cents here also.... ( edit: ### info removed )

    C ####
    C# ##
    D ##
    D# -#
    E #
    F -#
    F# -#
    G #
    G3 -#
    A #
    A# -#
    B ###

    as for links and googling you will need to take the effort your self.... Yes the info is out there but i am already sharing years worth of work so let your ears and feeling be the judge when you test this.... And then look up more information

    Google first for pythagorean ratios in general
    Then google for temperaments and attempt to understand how they work and why they work
    Then google for excel file that has all temperament ratios.... That is what you can use to realize why it sounds so good

    BTW Some Kontakt Pianos may not be the best choice to test this, i would use a Piano Synth such as Modartt Pianoteq and load the scala files for most accurate results... or test with a few different pianos.

    For the HiFi effects of the difference in tuning, use a saw wave and you will hear the beatings better... but any sound is just as good.... you will feel it after about 30 minutes of playing around, and realizing that hey you are creating an amazing song already

    But Some Sound examples of what is going on, i am glad to share, check these videos:





    Beethoven Moonlight Sonata in Close to Proper Pythagorean Tuning ( in what was called the Well Temperament )

     
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  7. Zealious

    Zealious Kapellmeister

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    Yes, awesome you are doing it just as Jimi Hendrix and other masters..... Tuning it to what sounds the best and what feels the best

    You are moving on the level of the greats man

    Interesting to hear, thank you for sharing
     
  8. Pm5

    Pm5 Ultrasonic

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    I was told pretty early on of the harmonic limit of equal temperament in music school (3rd or 4th year). No conspiracy behind it.
    Equal temperament was a lesser evil. Period. You can't entirely tune a piano on a per piece basis, or pitch-up/down all pieces you'll play.

    In production you can toy around it, and it should work pretty if your synth allows it (and many allows it).
    Not all teacher will tell you because : you'll do it naturally if the instrument allows you to.
     
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