First that question, then the salary ranges in the music world as a producer. Do you get enough money for the time and effort you consume? Is it your main job or just a hobby?

Really would be appreciated! Please say anything you'd like.

 

you are so romantic!
actually nobody makes money from producing music...

 

Ask Steve whenever you see him next

 

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Obviously Faoki is the only one with earning potential

 

if ur in it for the money i would say find something else to do

 

You're wrong. All things being equal, today there is as many musicians/producers which are making a lot of money as in the past. The only difference is the number of those people who claim to be a musician/producer which has grown out of all proportion in the last two decades, mainly thanks to the plugins and Internet. So we have now a vast majority of untalented purported "producers/musicians"... and this majority, indeed, doesn't earn any money.

 

I think all of us doing this (whatever you call) with this hope and expectation that would earn money from it someday. Without that, would be so disappointing.

 

Which is disappointing is to go in for your passion in the hope of earning money.
The only things that can make you truly happy do not have a price, and therefore, no one can afford them.
This is why billionaires continue to run after more and more money... because nothing, even the most expensive things, will ever make them happy.

 

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If you want to make money from music go work for Apple, Google or Amazon. They figured out a way to make deals with the owners of the copyrights (labels) and basically give the music away for free to the public (and also completely cut out of the deal the people who actually made the music). But hey people love their streaming!!!! It is so convenient.

Apple is planning on closing the iTunes music store by the end of 2017. No more buying and owning music, just "renting" it.

In the "renting your music" world then musicians get NOTHING. People still pay for this service even if they think it is free. They have to pay for internet service, cell phone service, monthly music streaming service... all together much more than the average person spent on music every month back in the 80s and 90s when the industry was healthy. Silicon valley killed it for musicians. Thanks.

 

When I say A, people say B and when I say B, people say A.
What should I do?

 

Ouch

 

Definitely choose C

 

And of course with this new business model musician will continue to make music for NOTHING, is that right?
Powerful concept...

 

Yeah, and then, you have guys like u-he or tone2, (who would gas all the evil 15yo pirates they would find), that sets prices around 200 euros *because they're worth it, and because we need to pay the 12 employees*, and expect ALL of these broken hobbyists to stop eating, and pay each ct of those 200 euros, even if they only spend 2 hours a week playing with music, and don't make and WILL NEVER make 1 euro/$, from their hobby.

200 euros for a product that will only work 3-4 years, a product for which they are given the right TO USE, without owning anything.
200 euros for a product that will only work 1 or 2 windows versions (2-4 years), and whenever the new Windows version is released, if the app doesn't work, for 200 euros, the dev won't be forced to make it work, and the only solution will be paying for the newer version.
actually, devs are forced to nothing. : someone will code the app, put it on a server, sell it 50'000 times, make 50'000 times the selling price. Easy huh? And why only one group of people would benefit from what Internet can give?

and under those conditions, these devs still expect the whole planet will PAY. No, it doesn't work like that.

 

@Zenarcist
Good show for evacuating people's pocket.
Look at the tuition:
https://www.law.berkeley.edu/admissions/jd/financial-aid/fees-cost-of-attendance/

If you'd be the most famous musician of the state without money, would they accept you?

 

To the OP, if you "need" other people to tell you what to do and how to do it... I got some bad news for you, you are not going to survive the competition anyway. The only way to succeed at anything is to fully committed to you vision and keep pushing forward no matter what everyone else says.

The real answer to your question of how to make money in music is this. 1. Be incredibly talented at music. 2. Be incredibly talented at business.

Without #1, #2 won't help you. We are completely off the map in terms of what the business is now and where it is going. You have to be adaptable to the changes we are going through and you have to be able to see the opportunities to create deals to support a career. These days it is virtually impossible to survive making music without some sort of corporate partnership. Through advertising, branding, sponsorship and other types of deals you will have to find some way to make money off of large companies. This is the cold fact since they are the ones with all of the money. Regular people don't have any. If you take a moment and study who some of the people that have been successful in the music industry in the last 15 years you will see that most of them come from very wealthy families and had a lot of financial support in the beginning of their careers. It is a pretty discouraging if you are not a child of a multimillionaire.

Look for inspiration from people that have changed the business in the past. They always find new ways to open up innovative pathways forward. I would suggest studying the lives of people like James Brown, Prince, Brian Epstein, Andrew Oldham. The actual techniques they used will not be appropriate to our current situation but the philosophy and vision that they employed and how it relates to human nature will give you a clue of what needs to be done.

 

Put on shows and sell merch (in addition producing)
I made 100$ helping produce a rapper once... Most money I've made off music so far is performing it and selling merch

 

Welcome to the internet.

Personally I think it's easier to make money being a DJ. It's strange, you can be a crappy DJ but even then you will get paid (crappy) money. You can be a decent musician and people will ask you to perform for free because you are an "artist".

I earn some money recording vocals and doing mixes. Nothing big and I don't earn real money from my music, even though I released some stuff. I'm not really in it for the money, but I wouldn't mind to make some more.

 

It seems you know the price of everything and the value of nothing Ideals can be had without spending a single penny