Dispelling one myth only

Discussion in 'Ai for Music' started by Somnambulist, Jun 22, 2025 at 3:15 PM.

  1. Somnambulist

    Somnambulist Audiosexual

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    Before anyone says it's this or that it is only one thing.

    ANY A.I tune maker who says that they have no intention of replacing musicians, singers and voice-over humans is full of shit.
    I decided to see if I could catch one out and I did.

    So if you see anyone saying this, call them out on it. It's fine if this is the intention, but do not pretend that they are not fully wanting to replace hiring any human to do the music. Repeating, I figured as much as did many, but saying it is not something that it is, makes it a lie and makes them untrustworthy. Pay attention to their use of "Hiring..." It never was a problem, it was a creative expense that A.I dispenses with and makes all the decisions for you. Times have changed, nothing more.


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  3. Somnambulist

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    To be clear, I accepted that this was going to happen. I have no problem with it as long as they do not shroud it in bullshit and pretend that is not their intention. As long as they're honest about it, then that is the way it is.
     
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    I mean... They are being honest about it ?

    "Hiring (...) can be expensive (...) that problem goes away."

    For the money guys, that has always been the bottom line. Calling it "creative expense" doesn't change the fact that those with the big wallets have always been looking for ways to spend less, and always seen anything that prevents them from doing so as a problem.

    I've heard a film critic once say something like "If Hollywood producers knew how to make a film, they wouldn't bother with paying all those pesky technicians, directors, actors... They would just make the movies themselves and cash the profits". We're closer to that scenario, more than ever. In the very near future, people with the bare minimum artistic/technical vision and can manipulate AI tools will saturate the market. Expect to see really hungry hawks be the dominant one-man-studios who then buy out all the other one-man-studios and produce EVERYTHING.

    Of course, that is one possible scenario.

    Most current studios are scratching their heads, wondering how they can get ahead of the game without having a disruptive young generation take their power away. Right now, it seems like copyrighted material is their best bet. When you own all intellectual propriety, you can just give people the tools to make their own shitty material with it, as long as you charge them. Be the main character of your own Avengers ! Then, just like sample packs, some smaller players will sell better AI prompts, or courses etc.

    You may have noticed, my scenarios are deeply dependent on the technology staying more or less similar to what we have now. The next paradigm shift in AI makes everything impossibly unpredictable.

    But it doesn't matter anyway. We're gonna burn. Enjoy the last legs of the ride.
     
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    I do not have any issues with what you said.
    It is not until you give them your details that they say it.
    They do NOT advertise this is their entire intent on their main pages to replace every human musician, singer and voice-over person. They indicate how fast it can do it, and inexpensive, but the replacements only come in personal mail.

    Call it sneaky, clandestine, surreptitious or whatever, but it is not up front.
     
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    @triggerflipper - I saw a post on Reddit where an A.I distributor had challenged a musician to see the difference. The musician got it right. The A.I distributor then asked how he picked it and named all the things a musician and singer would not do and how undynamic and soulless it was in larger missing musical terms. Fast forward a couple of weeks, the A.I distributor releases another track with all the things in it the musician told him.
    The trick is tell them nothing and take them nowhere. It needs input to create accurate output.
     
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    Oh yeah no doubt. But, I mean... which industry or enterprise hasn't been exactly this way, since forever ? :dunno:


    Reminds me of this scene lol :

     
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    For some, AI is a new toy, and for others, it's a business.

    The people who advertise with AI have a business model, and they want to make money off it, at the expense of creativity. In the long run, they will miss out on the non-musicians' sense of achievement, for cash of course.
     
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    What sends me is the fact that the quality of these AI services is measured by how well they can DECEIVE people. Isn't that fucked?
    In your mail, it says
    Deception is literally at the CORE of what an AI is supposed to be able to achieve. And it is trained to do that with what is essentially stolen data.
    I'm so fucking upset that this is the world we live in. Completely fucking unregulated, allowed to run rampant.
    Just drop the nukes already, honestly. We're fucked.
     
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    They have no intention, but they want to be the best at it.
     
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