do you have experience with using different bbpm's
in one track...
eg...abl3 on 66bpm..and beat on 132 bpm or so
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second question...can i build some rythmic from nonrhythmic parts... lets say parts 1,2,3 are rhytmic and 1,5 is nonrhythmic ...but when i sum 1,5 + 1,5 i got 3 again and its rhytmic again...the numbers have no connection to anything i just used it to show the logic i thinking bout..

 

A while back I created a 'Adapter' Psytrance song to connect 2 Songs with a different Speed
142 -> 137

So I slowed down the break to around 100 bpm and then up again to 137 again Works well ane the crowd loves it

 

You have to be careful about the audio clips shifting when you change tempo. You can overcome this by warping the track (in Ableton) or flexing (in Logic) so that even when you change tempo the clips will stay in place, but this will reduce the audio quality when clips are stretched too much. I use Ableton and I often use tempo changes, it's really no problem apart from samples and stuff that are a pain in the aaa.

Second question: what do you mean exactly by nonrhythmic parts? if you mean like pads or ambient then you can add a trance gate or sidechain to give the sense of rhythm. Or you can just add some rhythmic things above, like a drum loop or something.

Examples of time changes done right:

 

In Ableton you can also change the tempo in the master track in addition to warping:


Of course warping is the only solution if the tracks with different tempo is in top of eachother in the timeline

 

I've done both polyrhythms, euclidean rhythms and different tempos and/or time-signatures. Also rubato.

 

thx a lot for replys
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im always looking for dirty grooves in 4*4....when something really grooves but get even sicker thru slightly nonrythmic tiny ghost shizl..
dont ask me for example i dont kno one...but i kno there were sometimes some of dirty grooves in 90ies and later techno or electro house 12's

EDIT maybe it was the xtc lol...........but no...
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so when i layer 2 diffrent drum patterns and drums together and they not work together...nonrythmic..but when i had a 3rd or 4rd nonrythmic layer , can it become ryhtmic ? i guess yes

 

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Uuuuhm for what I know if they're not synced in tempo they can't just become "rhytmic" i guess... It would just be more of a mess if you add more and more parts not synced together. The only way you could try to fit different nonrhytmic grooves together is to make one of them the leading groove, and the others lying beneath.

 

I do not know what DAW you use, but with the VSTs of HY-Plugins:

HY-MPS2
HY-SEQ16x3
HY-SeqCollection

You can create polyrhythms very easily.

 

im on ableton....

must check out that technical words

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this wasgedn heh heh
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its mess and hard to find and after 1 times stopping arrangement its gone...today i kno better to stop and record when having worthy stuff..or how little and careful you have alter parameters...the sweet spot can be only 1 milimeter beside mess and so on...

 

Take a look here:
How to Make Techno with Tom Hades at ADE 2018

 

but you got me wrong..or better my good english was not so
i want use 66bpm abl bassline in DAW with 132 bpm ...
you can do that cause abl has own clock
since rythm is round math i believed i dunno
but i got to say it was better in sync at few under 132 bpm...so it wasnt runing round just by double bpm... logicly this would makes sense(for me )...but there must be more complicated math behind




but thanx anyway great input
need to check that all out

 

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Your English is correct, I am the one who has answered other things.

From abl3 manual: The tempo cannot be changed, as ABL3 always matches the host tempo.

The easiest thing would be to use ABL2, which allows you to set the time you want.

You could also create the ABL3 "loop" at 66 bpm, export to audio and then import it into your 133 bpm project.

 

oh dam it , than i meant abl2 ..sorry..my bad...there you can change from host to free clock

the yt video is really great i am into it right now...he even use a max seq with euclidean option...
interesting is that probalblity mode is based on math calculation...

 

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with abl2 is important to rec the session so you can take best matching parts...
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but from math point of view or what ever...from theory
50 bpm element will always fit into 100bpm arrangement...??
i want to understand the formula..its seems its not 100%right


i will try to come up with some examples next weeks...

thx

 

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EDIT : next days

 

so much great info in that yt vid man...

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he uses NI dynamic processors...makes sense since he makes techno

 

50 bpm fit into 100 bpm? Yes.

(4/4)
200 bpm = 1200 ms
100 bpm = 2400 ms
50 bpm = 4800 ms

Download Delay Time Calculator 1.6
https://resonic.at/tools/dtc

you can use it for many things.

 

ahhh...

 

here is yt vid bout How to make a Dub Techno Chord FX Rack Ableton Live he uses in upper video

http://www.maxforlive.com/library/device/75/ml-185-stage-controlled-sequencer
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http://www.maxforlive.com/library/device/231/advanced-step-sequencer