difference between rap and hip hop? if you can also describe me differences in choice of sounds i

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  1. hani king

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    i miss those rap artists from 80s breakdance music
    one can only be proud of that music by lifting a tape recorder on his shoulders and walking and enjoying the beats

    today people HIPHOPING TO 808/909 drums kit with running hi hats and trippin keys and they call themselves BEATMAKERS

    way to go
     
  2. The Pirate

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    It must have been the song "White Lines" The label was Street Sounds which was strictly a compilation label out of UK, I think. They had compilations of Electro, and Hip Hop. Mell was first with Enjoy records, and then with Sugar Hill Records. if you liked "White Lines" you must listen to Liquid Liquid's "Cavern". This was the song used by Mell as the basis for "White Lines". No pun intended.:hillbilly:




    Edit: Two other acts that have used it: Duran Duran and Art of Noise



     
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    I have the effin' Optimo EP lol. Perhaps later on it became an obscure record but back then it was an underground new wave hit. Too many white bands were trying to mix funk with punk and psychedelic textures at the time although imho Talking Heads had done it already in the 70s and early 80s with great success too. I recall that era very fondly and that EP by Liquid Liquid is killer. The EP's first track Optimo, an afro-latin jam -with strong Talking Heads references if i may say so- can very well be tagged as one of the predecessors to Tribal House hehe.
    Fek, one of the reasons i love rap and hiphop is all these twisted references...
    All the best mate :)
     
  4. Haliax

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    I got to the first ten in the collection, then moved on to house. I'll check out Cavern though, thanks!
     
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  5. The Pirate

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    I have the 12' promo of Cavern signed by the band. It is priceless. You can't find it anywhere, with the band members' signatures it is as rare as they come. Prices for 12" promos have been escalating over the years. I am glad, I have been able to keep my collection.
     
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  6. Futurewine

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    rap is art, hip hop is culture. combined both you get cockos reaper.
     
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    I had (and still have) the 12" 45rpm that I always played at 33rpm +8: it becomes really trippy and alarming
     
  8. The Pirate

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    Do you have the white label with the 2 other songs on the B side, the one with Scraper on same side (EP), or the 1982 black label (without the 99 logo)12 inch promo with only Cavern on A and nothing on flip side?
     
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    Music-wise, hip hop is a subset of rap.
     
  10. taskforce

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    The club owner i used to play back in circa '87 had it. I found the normal EP grinding through a ton of records in Soho London...
     
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    This is the cover:
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    this is main label:
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    label on other side has only the yellow/red spirals, no text

    if I remember correctly there was Lerry Levan's hand in the production, but I'm not 100% sure
     
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    Nah, 100% pure rumors. Just like the one about Cavern being sampled in White Lines. Even Wikipedia has it all wrong. :hillbilly: Larry Levan never was involved in the production. As good as Levan was, Liquid Liquid were too avant=garde to let allow an "outsider" to interfere with their artistic vision. On the other hand, Cavern was not sampled in White Lines. Again, Wikipedia has it wrong. The Sugar Hill house band replayed the bassline, and drums. The melody was copied, and the lyrics from Cavern's "slip in and out of phenomena” were morphed into “something like a phenomenon." The saddest thing is that Sugar Hill Records never gave any credit to Liquid Liquid. Thievery at its best. Another interesting fact is that Sylvia Robinson also conned the public into believing that Grandmmaster Flash had been involved in White Lines. The label listed Grandmaster and Mell as artists when in fact Grandmaster Flash did not contribute to the song, and was not even on the roster of Sugar Hill Records. :deep_facepalm:
     
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    He was pretty spot-on with this observation. The sad fact is, every underground movement is capitalized upon as soon as humanly possible by some asshole who sees the movement as a commodity, from P Diddy to Malcolm McLaren. :suicide:

    ...'cept that wasn't the Sugarhill Gang...the video you posted of The Message is listed correctly, so I'm confused? :dunno:


    I got you on this one. Even going back to The Last Poets and older, street-corner, spoken-word jams, and writings, I've never seen this pop up anywhere in writings, videos or word-of-mouth that would lead me to believe that it's a real thing, though I have seen it in "Hip Hop" articles written by white, suburbanites from Connecticut who think that 90s Hip Hop was intentionally Lo-Fi, that the West Coast had/has "gangster rappers" and the East Coast had/has "Hip Hop MCs," and that Pac and Biggies death are still unsolved. :rofl:


    I could write a goddamn essay on this topic, but it's suffice to say that it wasn't coincidental that Nas dropped Hip Hop Is Dead, right around that time, recognizing the change happeneing--he even fessed up to be part of the problem, succumbing to the Bling, Bitches & Bugatti's persona, for a while. The Millennium was also kind of the beginning of the end for artists being able to make it on small or independent labels (there were exceptions, of course, Immortal Technique comes to mind, immediately.) Thankfully, with the advent Soundcloud, Bandcamp, and the like (around 2006-2007, I think?) the playing field got leveled, slightly. :yes:
    .....anyway, as I said, I could write a dissertation on this, so I'll cut it off here. :rofl:I gotta dig for good Hip Hop nowadays, but it is still out there. :yes:
     
  14. Smoove Grooves

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    And Go-Go! Which I still have on vinyl.
    I started buying the tapes when they started in '83, because I was a kid and they were cheaper than the vinyl.
    I stopped around Electro 11 or so, but I went back a couple of years ago and completed the series!

    And we do know of a certain NY jew who was a main culprit, in regards the music we are talking of!
    But if it wasn't for him, who knows how it would have panned out? Would Dre have been as big, for instance?
     
  15. willnubu75

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    As far as hip hop is certain, me being from the Bronx, this is what you did in the neighborhood. I was born in '75 and people around my age were probably the last to experience hip hop in it's natural way. We didn't call it hip hop. It was just you did in the neighborhood. You were in class trying to make up a new tag or a throw up to put on the staircase wall in your school or in your building. You did b boying or breaking in the same area as kids were playing red light green light, hide and go seek (kiss for others) or freeze tag. If you were older, you did b boying in the park on one side while the others was selling drugs by the courts. This is what kids did and as with anything, as you get older, you're not trying to do what you did as a kid. So it old and corny to do that stuff anymore. Thank god you have people wise enough to perserve some elements of it.
     
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    graff is also rocknroll and punk and classic and and and
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    and whaz bout skateboarding and so on

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    just do what ever you like
     
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    maybe this one recycle ?
     
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    I said this just before the sentence you quoted :)
     
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    yes sir. today is a good day.

     
  20. Funk U

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    rap is a three letter word.
    hip hop is two 3 letter words.
     
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