difference between rap and hip hop? if you can also describe me differences in choice of sounds i

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  1. samsome

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    difference between rap and hip hop?
    if you can also describe me differences in choice of sounds in this music
    thanks!
     
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  3. Talmi

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    Hip Hop is a cultural movement, Rap - which is a musical genre - is part of it with such things as djing, graffitis, beat box, break dance etc.
     
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    When it comes to music, Hip-Hop uses to be almost only vocals. Though there's no strict rules that usually means:
    - Minimal use of instruments, sometimes only a DJ scratching double decks
    - No singing like many rap songs verses

    [Edited: seems I was quite wrong but I leave this untouched so you can rip off this post for the posterity :rofl:]

    With rap, singed parts or not, you can have any instruments. Like this countrymen rap-metal band I'm revisiting lately:
     
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    I said a hip, hop, the hippie
    The hippie dibby hip hop hop and you don't stop
    To rock it to the bang bang boogie
    Say up jump the boogie,

    To the rhythm of the boogie, the beat
    Now what you hear is not a test
    'Cause we're rappin to the beat
    And me, the groove, and my friends....
     
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  7. merko

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    Rap is something you do, Hip Hop is something you live.
     
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  8. recycle

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    throughout the 80s and 90s hiphop culture gave meaning to my life: I found it innovative, revolutionary, a movement that comes from below and fights power with the only weapon of 2 turntables and a microphone (at that time I was a dj/producer). And then graffiti: Drawing a graffiti for us was a war mission with spray cans instead of machine guns. Our messages of challenge on wheels that went from the suburbs to the downtown people on a subway car. Our soundtrack was Afrika Bambataa, Grandmaster Flash, Run DMC, Public Enemy, NWA…. and the list goes on.
    Then the 2000 came and everything changed: I started at the beginning to move away from a culture that was changing and no longer represented me, in the end I even came to be disgusted by these vulgar modern rappers who only barked rhymes about money, gold chains, lamborghini and black asses

    My question is: has hiphop worsened since the beginning of 2000 or is it that I have become old?
     
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  9. DrumHead

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    2000's was the end for the real. I personally blame most of it on P DIDLY. At that point it went from street to pop and that was it - over.
    I don't blame age on this one. It's just like p didly is to hip hop- what green day is to punk - and that's not the real. (but it is the music biz)

    ps just to make you laugh...try to imagine Drake battling any one from the 80's/90's:rofl:

    drake vs krs one:knock:
     
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  10. Zeyad eLmoghazy

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    you have become old 100% , you need to dig deeper and listen to the underground movements and lesser known artists , you cant judge state of genre by what gained the mainstream appeal when in the 80s it wasnt mainstream or even half as popular as it is today
     
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    Ok I'm interested: can you please give me names / links of hiphop songs from 2020 that are worth listening to and maybe I missed?
     
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    ab soul has few good ones....benny the butcher too.. ab soul will fit you more i guess

    first 1:35 great rest naw



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    german
    Chima Ede - Deine Religion (prod. by AYFA)
    MC Bogy feat. AK Ausserkontrolle - Punishers (prod. Cobra) (Remix by Lighteye Beatz)
    Crackaveli - Ich dreh meine Runden
    B-LASH - HUND
    OLEXESH HALT DIE FRESSE 05 NR. 251
    VOLO - KRMNL
    OTW - Wachsam
    Mortel feat. Azad _ Nimo - PGS [prod. by BrokeBoys]
    haftbefehl bolon
    RILLA ACHTES GESCHOSS
     
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    "Rap is something you do, Hip-Hop is something you live"

    –KRS-One

    In the early days, Rap was also referred to by the (print) media as "Rhythmic American Poetry" and later in the 90s, as the shit went global, as "Rhythm and Poetry".

    Talking about Hip-Hop being a "culture" in 2020 would be an outright lie. This "movement" which it once was – an underground thing by activists who actively participated in an open culture by joining events like "jams" with open mic sessions, breakdance and graffiti has long been transformed into a business about selling music and lifestyle items by collection so called "followers" on social media which are nothing more than just passive customers consuming whta they think is "hip-hop". It went from an open participative culture to purely consumistic. Just a bunch of clowns on instagram rapping about shit they never did and fakin' the funk. Especially in Germany!
     
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    There will always be shit that's dope beneath the surface. For example: J-Dilla dropped his first album in 2001. J Cole dropped his first mixtape in 2009 and Kendrick Lamar his first joint in 2011 and these are top tier producers/lyricists!
     
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    LOL, somebody never heard of this band called the Roots…
    The DJ who scratches has become pretty much obsolete in modern/current mainstream Hip-Hop Productions.
     
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    enjoy this .. :) unfinished track though

     
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    In the words of KRS-1, one of the pioneers of early rap and hiphop, rap/hiphop was sold out from day one because it targeted the mainstream with hiphop like Rapper's Delight. KRS-1 alleges Sugarhill and the rest of the early acts as mostly in it for the dollar and cashing in on it. Now KRS-1 has always been a leftfield artist who never sold out his art, his words carry street cred, wisdom and of course his lyrics have said many blatant truths about life and politics many times putting the nail on thoise deserve it. But i 'd take what he says with a grain of salt because it can't (or shouldn't if you like) be all politics and anger at the various established regimes. There has to be entertaintment at some point as well, not just deep thought.
    Personally i love early rap/hiphop. Many times it samples great disco tracks very cleverly like Rapper's Delight did and other times it just contains great music like Hot Hot Summer Day:

    The biggest push to rap/hiphop was probably given from Sylvia Robinson (RIP) who caught quite early the "turn of the tide". Sylvia, already a successful singer from the late 50s and later on writer and producer had quite the ear for successful tunes. Sylvia Robinson in '74:

    A little later after that single and with disco music already huge, Sylvia and her husband formed Sugar Hill Recs. Sylvia was behind both Sugarhill Gang's "Rapper's Delight" and Grandmaster's Flash anthem "The Message" granting her "The Mother of Hip Hop" title.
    Now, one can always accuse the Sugarhill Gang for being cheesy but "The Message" is one of these tracks that still kicks you in the stomach, its one of those songs that will never stop being relevant or sound dated, a true classic:

    Now i am here to give some definitive explanations. I hear guys saying rap is music, hip hop is a cultural movement and so forth, i am sorry guys but... Rap is about the lyrical poetry and hiphop is about the beats and music. In rap the lyrics and spoken word plays the significant role and music/beats come secondary. In hiphop it's the other way around. Modern artists like Eminem sing/play rap NOT hiphop unless they have tracks where the music plays a more important or at least equal role. Surely too many times there is a thin line between the two styles and one has to have an experienced, trained ear to tell which is which. Jay-Z for instance sort of blends the two, most of the times he has a balance between music and sung/spoken lyrics.
    Modern rap and subsequently hiphop went to slower beats progressively until now where we have trap at fkn 55 bpm, hurts my ear lol but at least some of it is indeed good imho. In the words of Public Enemy's own Flavor Flav:
    I think the element of hip-hop left when rap music started being created on a slow tempo…It’s just stayed there for years. Right now, a lot of rap music today is being created at very low tempos. There’s no more of that ‘wave your hands in the air like you just don’t care’ – you know, something that makes you wanna get out there and breakdance…Rap music has lost that element right now, mainly over in America. There’s not too many great hip-hop records out there, but there are some great rap records.
    Surely KRS-1 has said "rap is something you do, hiphop is something you live". And to this extent i will agree too hiphop is a way of life. Although listening to KRS-1 i can hear a nice balance between music and lyrics :)
    Check out KRS-1's lyrics and great groove, love and peace to y'all.
     
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    Hip hop was what the older guys would called what the younger kids were doing when the younger kids were top rocking (b boying). Then, a downtown New York club owner, saw what the b boy crews were doing in the club to the music and said this was hip hop. Then, Afrika Bambaataa took the phrase and made it the official name for the art form (broke it down to 4 elements). Then the media dumbed it down to saying it's a musical genre. Then KRS One comes and says what his definition what is hip hop and what is rap.
     
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    Rap is rap. There is no such a thing as Rap being referred to in its early days as Rhythmic American Poetry. Where? Certainly, not in the Bronx for sure. In printed media? Which one? Village Voice, Disco News, New York Times? Billboard, Dance Music Report?
    There is a lot of statements such as this, without any corroboration, that are being repeated all over the web. I personally, can say with certainty to never have heard ANYONE referring to Rap in such terms during the years I spent living in the Bronx. Indeed, I had a membership in one of the biggest record pools in the world, to which Afrika Bambaataa, Jazzy Jay, Dj Dee, and many others DJ's belong to, and can't recall anyone ever referring to Rap in those days as Rhythmic American Poetry. Never.

    Edit: If there is anyone here who was a member in one of NYC record pools send me a PM.
     
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    @Gyro Gearloose I tried to listen to all the artists but I'm sorry, I can't find anything I like. Also, when I hear autotune and distorted 808's kick on a song, I immediately press stop. Among the Germans I find Olexesh somewhat interesting: there is a flow in his rhymes

    @5teezo among the artists you suggest I like the sound of J Dilla as producer (less like MC). yes, I knew his music, I feel he has a strong old school background: scratch, MPC sampling and good vibes, definitely 90s
     
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    I first heard Grandmaster Melle Mel on an Electro Street Sounds record way back in the 80's and it turned my ear to a different generation of music
     
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