Critique my mix

Discussion in 'Mixing and Mastering' started by Molly_Lee, Jun 24, 2021.

  1. Molly_Lee

    Molly_Lee Producer

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2021
    Messages:
    109
    Likes Received:
    88
    Hello,
    I am trying to learn mixing and have been teaching myself with youtube videos and tutorials for a some months.
    I have done about 5 mixes while following along with tutorials, this is my first mix without following a tutorial.
    This is not my song I did not write it or record it, it is a multi-track I found online.
    Song:
    The Elephant, by Robert Hammon

    I would class it as rock or grunge so if that style makes you sick then don't waste your time downloading.

    Any tips or pointers you can give me on my mix of it would be appreciated.

    Yes I know one of the guitar riff's in it is a rip off of the riff in the song "Local H - Bound For The Floor" but I still like the song.

    Download my mix here-
    https://ufile.io/7l3rs59y

    Update: Thank you all for your input I have used every suggestion I could that you have given me and here is my second attempt, V2-
    https://ufile.io/kw7d6d0u

    Feel free to make any suggestions / opinions or comments to help me along.
     
    Last edited: Jul 2, 2021
    • Like Like x 3
    • Creative Creative x 1
    • List
  2.  
  3. BEAT16

    BEAT16 Audiosexual

    Joined:
    May 24, 2012
    Messages:
    9,082
    Likes Received:
    6,997
    Hi @Mooly_Lee, I heard the band Nirvana with the song "Smells Like Teen Spirit" as a counter-reference.

    In my opinion, everything sounds too dull. The bass frequencies are at war. The bass guitar and the base drum differ too little. the kick and bass should have different frequencies. Bassdrum 60 to 80 Hz - bass 80 to 250 Hz. Eliminate unnecessary bass frequencies (below 30 Hz for the kick drum and below 50 Hz for the bass, but this can vary and depends on the style and taste) so that these the don't make the sound "boomy" or undefined. The combination of these two instruments together should give the sound drive and a solid foundation.
     
    Last edited: Jun 24, 2021
  4. Molly_Lee

    Molly_Lee Producer

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2021
    Messages:
    109
    Likes Received:
    88
    Hi BEAT16 thank you for this great advice <3 I will try out the changes and see how it it sails. Some of what you say I should have known as it was in the videos I watched but you forget little things when you are in the trenches digging for a good mix, I guess it takes lots of practice.
     
  5. BEAT16

    BEAT16 Audiosexual

    Joined:
    May 24, 2012
    Messages:
    9,082
    Likes Received:
    6,997
    https://bobbyowsinski.com
    I bought books from him. For me personally a very good decision. but everyone must know for himself what is good for him.
     
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2021
  6. No Avenger

    No Avenger Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2017
    Messages:
    8,974
    Likes Received:
    6,186
    Location:
    Europe
    Since they're uploading the finished mixes at cambrigde-mt.com EDIT: cambridge-mt.com (sorry), you should compare their version to yours. Usually they're quite good even if I find their main guitars too loud in this mix.

    Try to hear the difference and reproduce their sound first. This is a good exercise and will show you how and why a mix is working.

    But for your sixth mix it's quite good. I'm afraid mine was worse. :winker:
     
    Last edited: Jun 27, 2021
  7. Molly_Lee

    Molly_Lee Producer

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2021
    Messages:
    109
    Likes Received:
    88
    I think I have problems with the low frequencies, bass and kick. When I get time I will go in and work on them and use some pointers that BEAT16 suggested.

    I did listen to the original and did not like the guitar but I could hear that the bass and kick were more clear.
    I also listened to the song Local H - Bound For The Floor on youtube, the guitar on that is very bright but the bass and kick were a lot better than the other two. I'm not sure if rolling off some lows on the guitars in my mix will bring out the bass and kick but will experiment.

    I find that when mixing and listening to a mix over and over, you brain gets to like it and you think that it's correct, even if there are problems you can't hear them. This to me is the hardest part of mixing.

    Thanks for the encouragement. :wink:
     
    Last edited: Jun 25, 2021
  8. No Avenger

    No Avenger Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2017
    Messages:
    8,974
    Likes Received:
    6,186
    Location:
    Europe
    There's a bunch of free m/s tools with wich you can mute the sides so you can listen to the kick and bass better. Also some DAWs have this as stock plugins.

    Good observation. That's why referencing is important, especially when you just have started to mix.
     
  9. Molly_Lee

    Molly_Lee Producer

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2021
    Messages:
    109
    Likes Received:
    88
    When you say sides do you mean the left and right pans?
     
  10. No Avenger

    No Avenger Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2017
    Messages:
    8,974
    Likes Received:
    6,186
    Location:
    Europe
    Err, yeah, on principle. You could try this free one and hear yourself.
    M = mid, S = sides (not mono and stereo :winker:)
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Love it! Love it! x 1
    • List

    Attached Files:

  11. Molly_Lee

    Molly_Lee Producer

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2021
    Messages:
    109
    Likes Received:
    88
    Thanks will look for it, I am using studio one do you know off hand if there is s stock plugin for it?
     
  12. Strat4ever

    Strat4ever Rock Star

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2019
    Messages:
    491
    Likes Received:
    316
    Molly, there is an abundance of ebooks and videos to help you learn on many sites just search and I'm sure you will find exactly what you are looking for.
     
  13. BEAT16

    BEAT16 Audiosexual

    Joined:
    May 24, 2012
    Messages:
    9,082
    Likes Received:
    6,997
    Singing - Magical Frequencies

    - Fill at 120 Hz
    - Roar at 240 Hz
    - Presence at 5 kHz
    - Sibilance / sibilance 4 - 7 kHz
    - Airy at 10-15 kHz
    - Increase 125 - 250 Hz to emphasize the foundation of the voice
    - The range from 2 to 4 kHz emphasizes the consonants and the voice appears closer to the listener
     
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2021
    • Like Like x 1
    • Love it! Love it! x 1
    • List
  14. No Avenger

    No Avenger Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2017
    Messages:
    8,974
    Likes Received:
    6,186
    Location:
    Europe
    Nope, I don't think that S1 has such a tool. But that's not a biggie, right?
     
  15. No Avenger

    No Avenger Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2017
    Messages:
    8,974
    Likes Received:
    6,186
    Location:
    Europe
    Err, what? Where do you have this from?

    Maximum 75%??? Panned instruments are move towards to background??? Have you every listened to Rock/Metal guitars???

    Do yourself a favour and drop this source. :yes:
     
  16. BEAT16

    BEAT16 Audiosexual

    Joined:
    May 24, 2012
    Messages:
    9,082
    Likes Received:
    6,997
    Panorama - The placement of the sound in the sound field / High - low and wide (thinking three-dimensionally)

    The aim of panning - or "wide" is to place a sound element in a sound field in such a way that an interesting, appealing soundscape is created.

    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2021
  17. No Avenger

    No Avenger Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2017
    Messages:
    8,974
    Likes Received:
    6,186
    Location:
    Europe
    I heavily disagree with this statement.
     
  18. BEAT16

    BEAT16 Audiosexual

    Joined:
    May 24, 2012
    Messages:
    9,082
    Likes Received:
    6,997
  19. No Avenger

    No Avenger Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2017
    Messages:
    8,974
    Likes Received:
    6,186
    Location:
    Europe
    Before a beginner starts abusing stereo imagers, which come with phase twists, he/she should learn how to apply basic panning.
     
  20. BEAT16

    BEAT16 Audiosexual

    Joined:
    May 24, 2012
    Messages:
    9,082
    Likes Received:
    6,997
    Yes I understand. As a mental stimulus, a small timetable ...!

    Crash Course Mixing: Mixing Tutorial for Beginners

    Mixing #1 - Preparations for the perfect mix
    Before you start mixing, you should first ensure order and structure. Labeling tracks and channels, setting markers, etc. makes the work easier.

    Mixing #2 - Listening correctly
    In this episode you will learn everything you need to know about monitoring to create a good mix.

    Mixing #3 - Cleaning up the mix session
    Tidying up is half the battle - so this episode is all about how to perfectly prepare a session for mixing.

    Mixing #4 - Using EQ
    Gain? Frequency? Q factor? In this part of the course, you'll learn what an equalizer does and how to use it.

    Mixing #5 - Dynamics processing
    The compressor is a very important tool, but not everyone knows what it does and how to use it. Learn it here!

    Mixing #6 - Delays in the mixdown
    This tutorial explains how to use delays correctly in the mix. This effect is quite simple, but besides delay time and feedback it is important to...

    Mixing #7 - Panorama settings
    There's no need to explain "panorama" and "stereo", is there? Yes, because there are a few things to consider in the mix....

    Mixing #8 - Reverb in the mixdown
    This workshop episode deals with the basics of reverb in the mixdown. It becomes clear: It doesn't always have to sound natural - and there are very many...

    Mixing #9 - Subgroups
    It makes sense to combine some signals into subgroups in order to be able to control and process them together.

    Mixing #10 - Parameter automation
    Once a parameter has been set, it may fit at one point in the song, but maybe not everywhere. That`s exactly what automation is for!

    Mixing #11 - Mastering and Bouncing
    The last episode of our online tutorial series on creating a mix explains the basics of mastering and what to look for when bouncing/rendering....

    Source: www.bonedo.de/artikel/einzelansicht/crashkurs-mixing.html
    Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
     
  21. bmd mixer

    bmd mixer Newbie

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2021
    Messages:
    6
    Likes Received:
    0
    the vocal placement is okay
    the vocal seem dull
    add abit of shine

    let d beat be close to - 12 same with d vocal
    master d song hitting 0
    d mastering is low
     
Loading...
Similar Threads - Critique Forum Date
Beep Beep... I'd really appreciate feedback/critique/advice Mixing and Mastering May 15, 2023
Critique solicited Our Music Sep 17, 2022
Well here is a new project, done in Ableton. Comments/Critiques pls.. Our Music Sep 11, 2022
Well here is a new work, done in Reaper. Comments/Critiques pls.... Our Music Aug 31, 2022
Another request for a mix critique - Folk-Rock Mixing and Mastering Jan 22, 2022
Loading...