Compressor release problem...

Discussion in 'Software' started by Tad Mikowski, May 3, 2018.

  1. Tad Mikowski

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    Hi everyone, I have a problem with any compressor! :( The release is always too long... The fast peaks are lowered! Guys, my English (and google translator) suck... It's better if I include some examples, ok? :yes: first example: 1.png
     

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  3. Baxter

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    The lower volume is obviously because the reduction hasn't reached it's resting position yet. This happens when you use higher rhythmic note-values (8ths, 16ths, etc).

    For even faster release, try the Pro-C2 side-chain filter (if you are using a kick or similar with a lot of low-end) to cut the lows (use highpass filter). That way the compressor is triggered by the very short transient, instead of the long kick-tail.
     
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  4. Tad Mikowski

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    another example: 2.png
    The release is set 155.5ms less, but it is still too long! Why? :(
     

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  5. Baxter

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    Uhm. I don't really know what you are asking, what you want to achieve or why.
    Just turn the release down if it's too long.
     
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  6. virusg

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    try enabling the lookahead or try a FET ...Softube is the best
     
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  7. Tad Mikowski

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    Yes, That's the problem...
    In the second example the problem is the same! :dunno: it is impossible to compress a track (synth, vocal etc ...) if the reduction is always slow! (ps. I apologize, my English is really bad :sad:)
     
  8. Tad Mikowski

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    In the first example the release is set very fast and in the second example only 273ms
     
  9. Baxter

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    Yes. I can tell.
    What are you trying to do??
     
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    I dlownloaded your first example and tried some settings. I could reproduce the falling peak level only with very high ratios (close to limiter) and very low threshold, like in your first pic. So, I would suggest to raise the threshold, lower the ratio and stick to release times below 200ms, this should work, at least it did in my case.
     
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    I want to understand why the release reduces the peaks (even set very fast)
     
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    Threshold is too low.
     
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    @No Avenger is right....No matter how quick your release is, if the threshold is too low it releases too late , after the level of the sound went below the threshold. You have to put the threshold high enough so that attack and release can effectively have an effect, or your compressor is always compressing.
    Compression settings have to be thought all in relation with each other
     
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  14. Daskeladden

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    explained here:




    Like they said threshold is the key words
     
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    I have to agree with No Avenger. with the settings shown, you are going for the result pictured, reduction/squashing.
    Good setting for paralell processing.
     
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  16. Tad Mikowski

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    Compression is a bit complicated for me..
    Does any of you have FabFilter Pro-C 2? Please download this vocal example and set up pro-c like this: x.PNG
    and export it to .WAV! Just for curiosity... Ps. Thank you all for helping!:yes:
     

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  17. Baxter

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    A compressor reduces peaks because a compressor is an attenuator. That's what it does. It attenuates when material goes over the threshold. it also reacts differently related to how all parameters are set.

    Perhaps read up on compression (VCA, opto/tube, vari-mu, FET, parallel, upward, etc) and do your own tweaking, instead of asking others to process and send soundbits. You will learn faster studying and experiment on your own.
     
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  18. Fiddle with the knobs and listen to all the results. Only then will your eyes, ears and hands understand how the parts all fit together. Learning by doing is a must for understanding compression. Everyone pretty much is confused in the beginning, I know that I certainly was, the needle either slamming or doing nothing at all. It takes a bit of time before you will get a handle on it. Your ears will begin to guide you soon enough.
     
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  19. Tad Mikowski

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    Keep calm please.. I have already done my experiments! x.png I wanted to compare your version with mine, to exclude any daw/vst release bug problem! ps. I'm not lazy, I'm just trying to learn!
     
  20. Kwissbeats

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    There is nothing wrong with your daw and or pro c, these guys mean it well.:wink:

    only thing I can add to your original question, pro c has different models, some might have a faster release (mastering?, clean?)
    or any fet-emulation might be faster. (1176 from waves/slate/uad)

    a different thing to consider is, and too put things in perspective.
    Is why and when engineers insert compressors with slow release. And why it's feasible. (la-2a)
     
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  21. Baxter

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    What makes you think I'm not calm? :)

    We all learn by doing. Just keep at it. :like:
    I once bought a hardware compressor from a friend reaaally cheap, as he thought it was broken. It wasn't broken. He just didn't know how to use it. Yay!
     
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