Hello everyone, I saw our favorite Italian guru create a new product intended for High end Mastering or mixing, you may have probably already understood with the title I am talking about Daisy the so-called full digital AD/DA that emulates several instances of existing analog machines, I have several questions on my side does a DAC have much sense in a "software" chain knowing that in the end it remains the DAW and the sound card of the user who makes the final conversion?

So the product is more of a colorshaping or widthshaping intended to embellish or polish a mix, I personally was quickly captivated by ASH even if today I only use one or two profiles among the dozens present in the software, it is undeniable that during my mixing and mastering sessions ASH has a little something more compared to Standard clip which is automatically in all my sessions but it has much less this coloring aspect of clipping.

I wonder about several things, including the linearity of the Daisy product compared to an IR captured from a pure DAC.

And finally, I have trouble understanding if this product really makes sense, for example, for the workflow of someone who has a studio that is already very well equipped with a good sound card and a good quality DAC. I have personally tested the Burl several times at a friend's place. It is undeniable that with and without it there are a few more things, but I would not go so far as to say that it is essential for all sounds!

Do you think that in the future this type of product will be increasingly produced by companies, the race for the final conversion stage or the miracle ITB tool that uses all the dynamic, spatialization, compression, saturation tools?

The overall goal of the topic is to discuss Daisy and in particular the rise of these conversion technologies that are increasingly digitalized and digitized for the joy and happiness of the general public.

https://www.acustica-audio.com/shop/products/DAISY

 

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A link to the product would be very helpful!

 

With 10000s of EQ and compressors and shit out there the developers are running out of ideas on how else to get your money. Thus, ports of HW which is port of an old plugin so now you can buy a new shiny plugin which will sound just like a vintage plugin (Machine Head / Magneto). Or, buy Daisy so your perfect DAC will sound like another perfect DAC and your song will automatically gets signed by a huge label. What a freaking bullshit

 

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You are sincerely far from the discussion, in any case your message leads one to believe that you just wanted to get things off your chest.

Honestly the subject was not about marketing or saying which side the shore is beautiful I know very well who AA are you talking to a convinced person understand it as you wish, the subject was rather intended to have a real and technical opinion on these tools and not a feeling of annoyance.

Do you have a favorite DAC and why?

Why this one over another?

A sound card with a high quality converter or an external DAC dedicated to its own task?

I'm trying to ask you questions on the subject because you seem to have thrown your stone aside.

Musically

 

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many users have been asking acustica for this plugin for years. Its a great plugin. Do you need it to make a hit? no, plenty of hits have been made without it. Is it fun, and can it potentially benefit your music? sure! It adds a nice sense of depth and width, and a sprinkle of that magic fairy dust. It can also be driven pretty nicely.

I think the goal of the plugin here is to do just that, impart a bit of fairy dust. Ive used it all across a session today. Not just on the master. Drum buss, bass, pads, It just has a nice magic to it.

 

so..... Even though I have sold all my AA plugins and deleted all traces of the "Claretta" releases, I decided to try Daisy.
First impressions are, really, really good. Just before the limiter, playing around the de-correlate etc.

Now, is this unique or other plugins can achieve the same thing? That will be my quest. If this is unique, I might use this.
Don't care if this is a DAC ADC emu etc, the sound is all that matters.
(as someone who owns a BURL B2 ADC, I am not finding its sound in this plugin btw)

 

How could millions of records have been produced for decades without Daisy?

There are certainly reasons to use it, but in reality you don't need it, otherwise it would have been invented much earlier.
I think it's just another suggestion that your music will get better.

AI will soon come along with its promises.
"You too can fly to the moon with the help of this new software and get a few chart positions."

 

This is an interesting feedback so the emulations

BMB-0B2 does not sound correct to your ears or simply as a physical Burl owner you do not see the point since the capture is different or less interesting?

 

If it can "bring unparalleled audio fidelity into my studio", why can't I listen to a few simple A/B examples on their website? Is what it does so ethereal that I need to download a trial version and listen to it on my own system?

 

the B2 is a love hate relationship, I currently have it off and considering selling it because it is very, very colorful.
too much for my needs today. When I first got it, it was perfect for my analog setup.

Daisy does not give the same weight and saturation that a real B2 has, but is that a bad thing then?

I will further test Daisy this weekend to figure out if it’s actually useful in a mastering project, or if its just snake oil as usual and overhyped sound that pleases in the beginning but just gets annoying as time goes by!

 

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For the most curious the list comes directly from:

https://justpaste.it/AcusticaAudioAcquaMasterList

Daisy (Hyper 3) - The Converter Collection

Spoiler: List of ADC / DAC

Primarily used for mastering scenarios to add saturation and depth to a mix.
12 Digital to Analog and 6 Analog to Digital converters. Everything from sparkling clean transformerless designs to tubes are in the package.

12 Digital to Analog and 6 Analog to Digital converters. Everything from sparkling clean transformerless designs to tubes are in the package.

• FRS-02A: Forssell Technologies MADA-2, An American solid-state converter, offering exceptionally transparent and uncolored sound, perfect for capturing pure and pristine audio.

• DEN-X32: Digital Audio Denmark AX32, A solid-state converter designed in Denmark, known for its immaculate clarity and detail, widely used in professional studios for its precision and reliability.

• BMB-0B2: Burl Audio - B2 Bomber ADC, A solid-state unit made in the USA, adding rich, colored tones with subtle harmonic saturation, ideal for injecting warmth and character into recordings.

• RNM-002: Rupert Neve Designs Master Buss Converter, A solid-state design from the USA,delivering warm, musical tones with a vintage-inspired analog character, enhancing the richness of mixes.

• EPX-073: Euphonix AM713, This solid-state converter from the USA ensures clean and accurate signal conversion, offering transparency and precision for professional results.

• GAX-032: Antelope Audio Galaxy 32, A modern European solid-state converter, praised for its pristine fidelity and accuracy, perfect for high-resolution recording projects.
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DACs
• FRS-02A: Forssell Technologies MADA-2, An American solid-state converter that matches its ADC counterpart with transparent, neutral output, ensuring critical accuracy for mastering.

• BRI-01M: Bricasti Design M1, This solid-state DAC from the USA provides rich, detailed, and dynamic sound, enhancing depth and resolution in mixes.

• DEN-X32: Digital Audio Denmark AX32, A solid-state unit designed in Denmark, delivering ultra-clean and detailed output, ideal for workflows requiring precision and neutrality.

• VIV-001: dCS Puccini, A solid-state DAC from the UK, renowned for its analytical precision, making it perfect for revealing fine details in audio.

• DEL-001: dCS Delius, This solid-state unit from the UK offers accurate reproduction with exceptional balance and clarity, suitable for critical listening.

• MCS-D10: McIntosh Labs D1100 or Pacific Microsonics Model One HDCD, A solid-state DAC from the USA that adds a warm, inviting tone, ideal for mastering tracks with musical richness and smoothness.

• COM-543: Computer Audio Design 1543 MKII DAC, A non-oversampling resistor-ladder DAC from the UK, delivering organic, natural sound with unique warmth, cherished by audiophiles.

• ACP-770: Accuphase DP-770 Built-in DAC, A hybrid DAC from Japan that combines solid-state precision with analog warmth, providing detailed and musical output.

• PRL-100: PrimaLuna EVO 100 Tube DAC, This tube-based DAC from the Netherlands delivers lush, smooth audio with harmonic richness and depth.

• AAT-002: Accustic Arts Tube DAC II, A tube DAC from Germany that produces a rich, colored sound with warm, immersive tones, ideal for emotionally engaging playback.

• EPX-073: Euphonix MA703, A solid-state converter from the USA, ensuring clean and precise output with a transparent character to complement its ADC counterpart.

• GAX-032: Antelope Audio Galaxy 32, An European solid-state DAC that offers modern, transparent output, designed for high-resolution mastering and playback.

I saw a lot of people on gearspace on the discussion concerning the tool, compared to the green of tbtech, personally I never appreciate the green surely because the color just does not like it, in contrast I love use Genesis of Analogx or Genome with certain converter profiles.

Some questions always tap me to think that we can get back in Daisy in the way of a real AD/DA or it is just a final polish or at the start of the treatment chain in how of Howie.
I fled the AA officials but I almost hesitate to buy it just to provide the logs the license and the library to our favorite team.

 

I don't use Acustica or Hornet, but in terms of Italian Guru's, how does Saverio rate?

 

Thank you for your trust but I'm not a guru in any way I'm just someone who likes engineering and experimenting with tools to make my own and your job smarter and faster. Luckily I happen to be able to write computer code and the level needed to create working (more or less) audio plugins but I'm not really a guru

Saverio

 

It was just a subtle little joke nothing to judge you or anything ! Continue your work and do not react to this kind of post if it triggered you

By the way, I would like to tell you that your newsletter service which spams everyone almost every day of the week is rather annoying. Have a nice day.

 

If your comment is directed at Saverio, then you've severely misread the vibe in the room.

Did you know that you can unsubscribe from newsletters?

 

I'm probably being too first degree!!

I've done this many times already but I still get so many emails otherwise I wouldn't report it