What if they dont want credit? Ive helped a of friends over the years without asking for anything. They have done the same for me. Were just colabing and helping each other.

As for AI when who do i credit and how when i gave my example of me putting in my audio input and asking it to morph into a funk guitar? Break down for me who all i took credit from when asking it to help me get my idea out?

All of the feature tags for embedding im asking the model to recall like "Funk", "guitar", "1970s" those are broad tags the model understands whats inside the guide the model to give me closer to what im asking in my prompt. But within those features are Millions of songs that have fine tuned those words to create the sound im looking for.

can you tell me with your understanding of how these models work how we could credit anyone or anything within the vast dataset of knowledge.

 

pathetic trolling wont get you anywhere
But in case you didn't get it I'll try to write simple for you. Not a mouse creates a track or arppegiator which just repeats chords you choose it's your skill and brain and soul and feelings who do it and which you are trying to replace with surrogate of creativity and average algorithms but its your choice
and mice don't create tracks they are just tiny animals that leave small black tracks of life activity

 

hahah I agree. If we keep pushing this one level back an ARP is just a computer playing notes for you.

 

i could read this thread... but i fear it would also make me more stupid. And i can't afford that!

 

the same can be said for suno. Its all about the input and output choices and guidance along the way. This can be done with a DAW as well the tools in the middle from the creators input and the creators output can vary. If its an audio input into suno, a text prompt, a stem taken from it. A midi line in your daw or a tracked instrument. The middle of the creative process can get compressed or expanded on. Its all about the idea going in and the idea when its "done"

Guide it with whatever tool you want.

 

Hello Synclavier, what keyboard do you use to compose your music?

Synclavier: ..Logitech mouse!

 

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But your friend asked of of a credit would you give it? In case you use AI in so-writing all authors of the song require attribution for example: "composed by Curtified and ChatGPT"
Thats another problem an impersonal average algorithm that you can't even refer to while it helped you creating a track based on a nobody knows what songs selection he decided was funk

 

I may be totally wrong, but comparing AI to a mouse or a paint brush is completely missing to point IMO.

For the first time in history we have a technology that may very well surpass everything we could imagine (I don't know if I believe that, but considering the possibility seems like the most reasonable course). This is a completely new paradigm. It goes well beyond being "just another tool".

 

They criticize you for your methods of making music, while i'm "a troll" because i judge their methods..

 

You have a mouse fixation or what? Have you heard of trackballs, graphic tablet or even pen and paper for engraving notes?

 

Using AI for making music has the same creativity of choosing black or red sofa in a furniture store

 

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@Synclavier

 

rubish in rubish out and with zero listeners as a result

 

Energy?

The same thing some artists do, even without using AI..

 

True but even if you fail it's the the process of creating - inner work which is valuable, what makes you human, not simulating it with some AI.

 

But it is not the topic of the thread, other than some side-topics. It really doesn't even matter if it is creative or not; because we can have that exact discussion about what other methods of making music and even the music itself are not creative. It is a question of ethics in more cases than we are even discussing when talking about AI generating a random midi pattern like an arpeggiator or drum machine. There are people who more than happily go on Suno, type in what they want and export a fully made track, and then come on a forum like this presenting the track as "their work". It's worse than using even 100% samples un-edited, and actually it's even worse than mixing an unedited "construction kit". It's not worth any more effort than the 10 seconds it takes to put someone on perma-ignore.

The thread is about people who are seemingly thinking that AI will make anyone more or less intelligent. Whoever believes either of those to be true have already proven all that is needed to know.

 

It's up to you. If you approach it as a tool, you're smart, but if you rely on it, you're dumb.

 

you can make good and bad music with or without ai.

I’ve heard some bad human made music and some bad ai music.

you can also fail and refine with both methods.

you can learn a lot through both too.

 

That was just a side-note, but close to our topic and since it's a music creation forum, our discussion it will come down to the of subject creativity, Stupidity in world of art would be some uncreative act or banal self expression, accordingly by doing something yourself, struggling, overcoming difficulties you develop your abilities and cognitive skills, grow above yourself and otherwise you stagnate as an artist stuck in uncreative stupidity.
I completely agree with all you wrote about the ethics of using AI,and compared to that even stealing chord progressions from bangers seems like an innocent activity, sure it sounds naive in our world, but there should be some kind artistic, creator integrity and self-respect after all.