Can you say something that no one could oppose it?

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  1. Ad Heesive

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    Slightly bizarre. :dunno: You have asked this same question twice before in two of your previous disguises.
    I wonder why are you so desperate to trot out this same question so often? What certainty are you seeking? :dunno:

    But the question does relate to this thread and I do have a convenient answer from one of your previous posts.
    So I'll play along :winker:

    https://audiosex.pro/posts/452430
     
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  2. Krusk

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    The reason for all these questions is just one thing:

    The music that is made and posted to "Our music" section, all are inexact music. I want to know "Is it possible to make exact music?":dunno:
     
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    I struggle to find any useful interpretation of your phrase 'exact music'.

    I can find value in ideas like precision when applied to musical performance and various aspects of audio engineering.
    For musical composition I can make sense of a very informal "does this part work or not?".
    But that's an important artistic feeling - it's not some kind of science;
    That artistic feeling can sometimes be partly supported and informed by music theory analysis
    where correctness (or flaws) in the analysis can mean something.

    But for the overall art of musical expression, this is now a totally subjective domain.
    There are no objective rules or measurements to conform to. All notions of good, bad, better, worse, are entirely subjective.
    Looking for rules would be as bizarre as specifying and measuring a universally acknowleged correct tempo for sex.

    For musical expression, ideas like precision or exactness would never be ideas that I cared about.
    All that matters is "do you feel that you expressed what you wanted to express" - and if not, try again.
    :)
     
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  4. Krusk

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    Would you promise me and 100% guarantee you won't change your view in the future? I need your notarized signature and at least 100 persons to testify to your words.:)
     
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    No. I won't promise to not change my views. I'm open to changing my mind about anything - in principle.
    But now I need someone or something to give me a good reason to change my mind.
    How would you suggest I ought to change what I think?
    What (in your opinion) is a better way of viewing the world than what I wrote above?
    :)
     
  6. Zeyad eLmoghazy

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    life is not exact , why should art be ?
     
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    Well, only if you're transcribing music written by another person.

    Creatively embracing uncertainty is key imho to making interesting music. With MIDI you can easily tame spontaneous uncertainty at almost any point anyway by correcting and/or improving what you've just recorded in your trusty midi editor. Add resonant structural decisions & solid production values and worthwhile music shall surely follow. :yes:

    With your music, however, the problem doesn't stem from your muse actually but from insubstantial productive imagination (i.e. effort) and a lack of coherent structural develoment.
     
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    Our bodies will stop working at some point in our lives.
     
  9. Krusk

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    Music can be viewed from two angles:

    1. Artistic
    2. Scientific and based on absolute laws

    At first glance, the artist does not make much effort to understand the subject of music, and turns to occult inspirations and coincidences, focusing more on construction to create something. The issue of time is very important in this view.

    From a scientific point of view, many efforts are made to understand the meaning and relationships and structures in music.

    In both views, something is created, because creation depends on doing the work, not meditating on how to do it.

    The fact is that everyone wants to know how to make exact music, but unfortunately, a mere artistic look does not lead us to make exact music.

    Exact music is something that humans have been looking for for thousands of years but have not been able to find, and I probably will not be able to find it either.:sad:
     
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  10. Ad Heesive

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    I don't know whether to laugh or cry - I'll go with :rofl:
    Given that we seem to now be discussing your theological convictions about exact music,
    allow me to make my equivalent confessionals.

    I have a secret belief that relativistic quantum-calibrated custard is humanity's salvation.
    Relativistic quantum-calibrated custard is far more important than exact music
    I lament the fact that no-one else seems to appreciate the truth of my inner revelation.

    So, thank you for helping me, I can now plagiarise and borrow your wise sentences, and broadcast my convictions...
    The fact is that everyone wants to know how to make relativistic quantum calibrated custard,
    but unfortunately, a mere chef with a PhD in physics can not lead us to make relativistic quantum-calibrated custard.

    Relativistic quantum-calibrated custard is something that humans have been looking for for thousands of years
    but have not been able to find, and I probably will not be able to find it either.:sad:


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    I now claim with 100% conviction that what I wrote here is genuinely more coherent than your unwarranted claims
    about your utterly undefined and ludicrously incoherent phrase 'exact music'.

    Maybe you've missed your true calling. :dunno:
    The best place for a nonsensical debate using nonsensical incoherent vacuous concepts is probably a theology college.
    What I wrote above could be a suggestion for what to write on your entrance exam.
    If you're accepted into the college... a few tips...
    Note the importance of maintaining vagueness and ambiguity in all your terminology.
    The minute you actually provide any coherent definitions of your terms,
    the self-contradictions, the inconsistencies, and the incoherent paradoxes will all be brutally exposed,
    and then your convictions about those safely vague ideas will evaporate. (or at least they should evaporate)
    At that point you'll be kicked out of college for doing philosophy instead of theology.
    So, whatever you do in your theology arguments, remember to stay ultra-vague.

    But hey you don't need that advice, you're already an expert. :winker:
     
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    As bold as brass as ever.:sad:
     
  12. Zeyad eLmoghazy

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    you talk too much but say nothing , the problem is you are not right and you are not even wrong , what is exact music ? what is music ? why do we do music and what does music represent to you ? what is art ? who wants to make exact music ? isnt coincidence an important part of life ? isnt the absurdity and the lack of inherent meaning is the beauty of life ? isnt randomness what makes us who we are ? does music progress into perfection ? or its progression takes a different path
     
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  13. Ad Heesive

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    A statement like "The fact is that everyone wants to know how to make exact music" is a near perfect example
    of making a ludicrous claim about a hopelessly vague idea. It is meaningless. (and as Zeyad says "not even wrong")
    Making claims like that is a path for fools clutching at false certainties.

    Identifying and asking difficult (or impossible) questions like those listed by @Zeyad eLmoghazy is a much wiser path to follow.
    I also think Zeyad's comfort with speculative uncertainty is a far more attractive and more nourishing way to think
    and might be an essential pre-requisite for creativity.
    (edit: as also previously claimed by @Paul Pi "Creatively embracing uncertainty is key imho to making interesting music")
     
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    I'm your GOD
     
  15. Ad Heesive

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    So kiss my arse!:guru:
     
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    Have you ever questiond the existance of the word "GOD" ?
    How would you feel or react that the creator of all life as we know it nowdays has a name with an 3 letter word?
    Do you think that the word "GOD" is an escape to money?
    Well it is. If you want to find out where all evil comes from then you need to follow the money.
    GOD is a 3 letter word, but when you reverse it it says DOG.
    Now who is the DOG that is beeing played?
    Do not take me wrong, i believe that ther is something so great. But i don't callit GOD.
    GOD, would be embarrised if he knew that we gave him a 3 letter word.
     
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    The "Dog who Lived"
     
  19. Paul Pi

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    Indeed. I always keep random virgins (prepped for sacrifice) close to hand in case the ol' creative juices ebb... :bow:

    No, it's mostly just you and those AI bods @ google.

    So you're saying that you never resonated or found inspiration or human solidarity with any song or music written by any songwriter or composer, not even once in your life... Well, if that's true, you truly have lost your way and need supernatural aid, fast. Three virgins (chaotically sprinkled with assam) should do the trick. :like:
     
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    Sister site has always been an enormous help.



    Now oppose THAT.
     
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