calories question - food

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  1. starkid84

    starkid84 Producer

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    or better yet, let stop promoting information, or bashing things we don't understand. A state of ketosis is a natural biochemical metabolic state that your body goes into, just the same a 'glycolysis' (burning sugar as the primary fuel source) which is the state most people eating a western diet is in. It just depends on what you eat. This is not a diet but a lifestyle change. Most people who talk shit about keto, high fat, and low-carb, are either uneducated or nearly clueless about the actual mechanics of the metabolic process. A ketogenic eating style is the healthiest dietary style for most people bearing some sort of major illness that would require a different dietary regiment.

    it is not natural for people to be over weight and a lot of what people believe about diet and exercise is wrong, hence why obesity and related conditions are epidemic in the western world. Misinformation information = poor results. 99% of people who are against keto, either don't understand it, have never tried it, are parroting what other have ignorantly said, or have something to 'gain' (usually companies) from people being unaware of the truth.

    The news lied to the word for decades, due to food companies lobbying the FDA for more bread, grain, and dairy sales through the 80's-90's the old food pyramid was a lie, (hence why its been changed), and 'low fat' diets are not healthy and are trash. But the 40 year food industry propaganda against fat (because refined sugar is a cheap food enhancer, and margarine was cheaper to produce than real butter) is so strong that it will still take another decade before this information trickles down to regular people and becomes mainstream information for the rest of the western world.

    Fat doesn't make you fat, carbs do.

    before you reject this information do your own research and avoid skimming, and sensational headlines. The information (real scientific and empirical data) is out there, this information is not new, just people (including many health professionals) are heavily misinformed.

    Also, the information I am writing about is not just rhetoric, I have used this information to help many people loose weight, cut to low body fat percentages, reverse diabetes, cancer and other ailments people had no idea was related to the excessive sugar in their diet. I've never seen any other eating style that produces the health benefits of a ketogenic diet, not veganism, vegetarianism or anything else.

    If you want more in-depth information from a Doctor that actually knows his shit, visit Dr. Eric Bergs youtube channel, where he goes in-depth into the science about ketogenic eating style and and gives a voice to reason when most of the world is chasing headlines, societal trends, and misinformation rather than real information:

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3w193M5tYPJqF0Hi-7U-2g

     
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  2. anonymouse

    anonymouse Platinum Record

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    Easy there cowboy, no one is bashing 'your' dietary advice. We're trying to help people that are starting to enter the beautiful world of weightloss misinformation, bro science and people who abuse you to make money. Like companies and influencers yes ;)

    Usually, an overweight individual is not eating normally or healthy. I think it's better to start off by eating normal. Less processed foods, no sugar, less alcohol. This first step is already a big step for most, it's not only physical but also mental. It's about changing habits first, and that is difficult for everyone. Now if a person has succesfully adjusted his/her eating habits , after a few months just proceed to other things from there. There is more to gain, like you described. But let's get the new normal feeling normal first. This is absolutely key.

    Btw I did keto for quite some time, not even for weight loss (I am/look pretty healthy), but just for the fun of it. Did it work? Sure. Did I feel obviously better than before? Not that I noticed.
     
  3. lxfsn

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    My gf is certified PT, bikini fitness competitor and she can pretty much put anyone at any bodyfat percentage and without any yo-yo effects. One of the tools is *shocker* counting calories - this is how we both eat in our daily life and she teach me how to integrate the restaurant dinners into my weekly caloric allowance.

    She read some of the very (just in appearance) scientific posts here and her advice is to go to a specialized trainer because every advice here is a "mumbo jumbo of half-assed opinions and most people completely misunderstand the "calories in calories out" model. "Theory is theory but experience is what actually provides results."

    Basically be prepared to either allocate 5 years of continuous frustration & lack of results, just to learn it by yourself, or a year with a personal trainer (the ones that train bodybuilding for the lowest entry-level categories are the best choice in terms of price and results) to set you on the right path and you take it out from there.

    Good luck!

    PS: be very aware:
    WEIGHT LOSS is exactly what it implies - losing body weight. Usually means losing muscle mass first and body fat after. Looks good on the scale, but not healthy at all.

    FAT LOSS is exactly what it implies - losing (mostly) body fat. Needs a different approach to weight loss, the scale may not change that much and the health will improve.

    Everybody wants fat loss, yet they mostly apply weight loss strategies.
     
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  4. Crinklebumps

    Crinklebumps Audiosexual

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    Despite all of this there is some good news if you're overweight. Gravity is decreasing.
     
  5. capitan crunch

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    First of all get a drum set. Second, get a watermelon. Thirdly, play drums and eat watermelon (only) until you reach the state of health you prefer.
     
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  6. ArticStorm

    ArticStorm Moderator Staff Member

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    im also doing OMAD for a few years now.

    the meal is usually in the evening. I tend to eat a huge meal here, lasting 2-3h. Rice with tofu, tomatos, oatmeal or sometimes some cheese.
    In the last time i also ate per day one salad cucumber to bring my blood sugar level down.

    over the day i drink ayran and very cheap think buttermilk. sometimes an apple. Also try to drink pure water 1-2L per day. No softdrinks.

    I dont think it is a good idea to eat sugar stuff and fast food to get your cals up. THe big problem is the blood sugar level, which signals the body to increase to fat storage, which leads to weight.
    Another factor is also stress, which increases colersterine, which increases sugar level --> fat storage.
     
  7. Crinklebumps

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    Sugar substitutes aren't good either, aside from their dodgy chemical makeup they have the same weight-increasing effects as real sugar, it's how the brain reacts to them, a signal to store energy as fat.
     
  8. GeoffreyMcJefferson

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    Consuming sugar spikes insulin which you want to decrease for weight loss, so definitely don't eat sugar if you want to lose weight. Also eating foods with processed sugar is bad for your health in general and doesn't give you enough nutrients.
     
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