Hello my friends,
I got pair of DT 770 Pro's 32 Ohm and Sony MDR 7506 60 ohm, ordered to test and choose which one to take.
And... its so hard to describe my feelings, I have 6 days to return it so I must be quick.
Sony sounds more flat and natural and are louder (im using currently with my MacBook Pro 2015 only no interface) but DT770 are more bass orientated, I think they sounds more likely to the ears, its really nice to listen to music on them but are also not as loud meanwhile its less OHM than Sony lol.

I ran some projects on Ableton and on Sony its more harder to mix and produce because everything sounds not as likely to the ears, I can hear everything separately. This can be plus and minus for them.
On DT770 music has more power, because of the bass I think, but there is small gap in mid range I think.
I wonder if it could be the problem to achieve best mix down because everything will sounds nice according to Sony...

Does anyone was with the problem like me before ? Could you guys advice me something?
I produce electronic, mainly trance, house and future bass.
I don't need headphones for singer or guitarist, just for me for everyday use to produce and mix downs.

Maybe DT990 PRO? Or another company ?
My budget is max 120-130 EURO

Merry Christmas!

 

Personally, I would go with the 7506's for mixing. Flatter response, better translation.

 

Did you try the Beyerdynamic Dt 240 ? a friend bought them and in most reviews said they compare with the AudioTechnica m40x, I did not try the Beyer, but I have 2 m40x

 

You sure about that?

DT770



MDR 7506


and in terms of distortion:





You can see as high as 16% below 100Hz for the MDR 7506, and this is not something you can EQ out — it will stay distorted on the 7506s.

Sauce:
https://www.sonarworks.com/blog/reviews/beyerdynamic-dt770-250-review
https://www.sonarworks.com/blog/gear-reviews/studio-headphone-review-sony-mdr-7506/

 

Personally, I would go with the DT-770 for mixing or mastering comparison with your monitors, especially if you don't trust the bass from your monitors. I would go with DT-770 even if you don't have monitors. They are bassy, so they will make you mix with less bass, and your mixes will sound less muddy. Sony's will make your mixes sound less middly, possibly with less clarity. Yes, I would trust DT-770 more, shame they're not Pro 250ohm, these are flatter. I've never worked with low ohmage DT-770 like DT-770M, they work great for drummers. It is weird that Sony's have bigger ohmage but sound louder, but my suspicion is that you perceive them as louder because they have less bass.

Disclaimer: since I haven't heard low ohmage DT-770 ever, my suspicion is they are even more bassy than Pro 250ohm, which I find bassy enough, actually perfect, for checking bass in your mixes. So if that's the case, maybe 7506's are a better choice after all as they should sound flatter, and especially if you're only mixing on headphones.

Cheers!

@Qrchack, there is a not-so-small difference in sound between DT-770 32ohm which have more bass and DT-770 Pro 250ohm which are more flatter[ing ]. However, thank you so much for posting some graphs at least.

 

Last edited: Dec 24, 2020

Hey dude, Merry Christmas!

There is a simple rule that says: Trust YOUR ears and nobody else. If the Sonys are worse to your ears, keep the Beyerdynamics.
In the end it's all about that, your ears don't lie, no matter what data specs and graphs tell you. Music is feeling. You create music using your ears, no one else's.
Another important aspect is comfort, which is also very subjective.

Short story:
A few years ago I was looking for closed-backs and many people recommended the Audio-Technica M50s. I knew them, but I was more interested in the M40s due to a flatter response. The M50s should be superior due to the price, but I didn't prefer them over the M40s when trying them out at a store.
I also tested both these Sonys and the Beyerdynamics, I understand why you prefer the DT 770's overall sound. I liked the DT 770s as well, but I finally chose the ATH M40s because my previously created songs sounded the closest to my monitors on these. Budget was also a key factor for me, so I only spent 80$ on the M40s. That was MY impression, yours will possibly be different, but I was happy with my decision, I never regretted.

The Sonys are seen in many studios, they are popular, but don't let you influence too much by popular things.
In the end you'll be happy with either of them, it's all about adapting your ears. But if your initial impression prefers the DT770s, go for them.
The perfect addition to any of these cans will be Sonarworks Reference, you may've heard about this plugin.

 

Last edited: Dec 24, 2020

Same story here ! I ended up buying the m40x because they were cheaper, flatter and smaller. Years later I bought the 2nd pair for backup, and now I put some new pads on it, I don't change them for anything
I use them for DJ / Produce

 

Last edited: Dec 25, 2020

Yep, I do it for living. If it were me, I would look at the ATH M40. Sometimes graphs don't tell the whole story.

 

Seeing the post just above yours, this can be related to its distortion in bass range.

 

Guys, thank you for your fast answers during the Christmas time. I really appreciate all the informations u gave me.
Im listening on them for 5 hours now and I'm more into DT770 if I will choose it for everyday producing, listening to other songs etc.
Sony are more precise I think and In my opinion if I do something on them and it will sound good It must sounds good anywhere else, but its really hard to be happy with the result because they really tells how separate is everything
I will try listen to Sony more today

On the Beyerdynamic box there is written that DT770pro are for studio/stage, dt880 for reference monitoring and DT990 for critical listening, mastering.

What do you guys think about DT990 ?
I wish I could go to the store and listen all of them, but everything is closed ;-(

 

beyerdynamics are nearly indestructible, i bought a pair about 20 years ago and they still work, incl the cable

 

I did not, maybe will order also and test it out. Thank you for the recommendation

 

Which ever one you decide to go with, get Sonarworks with it. Once correction is applied, my all of my headphones sound nearly identical and very close to my LSR308s.

Between my K240, HD 280 Pro and KNS8400, the KRK required the least severe correction curve and was therefore the flattest.

 

They do tell quite a bit, really. You gotta add comfort/convenience factors in though, and that's hard to judge from sales material, so reviews and trying it out in-store are the only real options tbh.

Personally, I would not really be bothered all that much about the exact science of it. Instead, pick the headphones that feel the most balanced and comfortable to you, and learn them. Listen to music, videos, everything on them. Use them while travelling, really know what good stuff sounds like. The worst you can do is switch between your listening environments all the time and not have a gut feeling of what's right and what's not.

Also, ultimately if your playback system can reproduce 60Hz so you can hear your kick drum (aka you're working on any decent headphones, not your laptop speakers), it honestly doesn't matter. You use reference tracks and get it in the same world as a pro track that you trust, and you're golden. Don't even need correction software. If you decide you want to use it, make sure to also listen to everything with the correction on, you have to re-learn what good sounds like, all over again.

The reason they do is a lot of drummers will play a click (metronome) from their phone while playing, and for that bringing an external DAC/amp is not practical.

7506 are actually really bright, it's the reason live guys like them and some vocalists like them - you sound more like a EQ'd vocal track right during tracking

Well aware of that, keep in mind the frequency response you're getting will also be affected somewhat by the headphone amp in your interface when you're getting to higher impedance ones. More ohms means the amp has to work harder, working harder means harder to control and make sound good.

Spot on

 

Another cool tips, thank you guys. I didn't know about this Sonarworks, is it a system for balancing headphones ?
Will try it out definitely!

I personally hate doing the music on the headphones, I prefer speakers, but because of this shitty pandemic stuff my lady is working at home so I have to make friends with one of them

 

They are all for different purposes.

DT770 is the golden standard of tracking headphones, seen everywhere in top studios around the world. They are one of the most comfortable around, if you get the velour earpads there's barely any fatigue.

DT990 is a completely different beast, because it's open back. It's therefore useless for recording, because for anyone else (or more important, for your microphone) it'll be about as loud and clear as your phone speakers playing music. They make your ears sweat less and sound a bit better than the DT770, but they are completely useless for recording.

That said, DT770s are perfectly fine for mixing tasks as well, and have the advantage of being closed back, therefore usable for recording. Grammy-winning records have been mixed on these, you can do it.

DT880s are the least popular of these three and I suspect it's a newer one. They are semi-open, so not ideal for recording. Beyerdynamics markets them as an upgraded model, but it's more expensive than 770 (same retail price as 990) and there's not much information about them. I bet they're pretty good, but they're not as famous and well tested around the world as 770 and 990 are.

Basically, they measured various headphone models, several units of each, and used the average frequency response to create a custom EQ that is reverse, to flatten the response. It's actually really good, but you have to use it all the time - not just for your DAW but also Spotify, Youtube, everything. Switching it on and off will only confuse you, might as well not bother then. You'll need a month or so to develop a gut feeling of what great sounds like on your new listening environment anyway.

It's really good stuff, just make sure you listen to tons of music, there are no perfect speakers, no perfect rooms, and no perfect headphones - it's all about knowing really well what great sounds like on your not-so-perfect setup.

 

My friend, Michael Patterson, uses Sony MDR 7506 to mix his clients' projects on a macbook when he's traveling - i.e. airports and hotels. If the MDR 7506 is good enough for him to make mix decisions, then you should be ok. ;)

https://www.michaelpattersonmusic.com/

 

Last edited: Dec 24, 2020

Because you already have the 770s, I would stick with these, get used to them and you'll see what is possible after months of experience.
The 990s are open-back headphones, therefor they'll be less bassy beyond 70Hz in terms of spl.
There are many measurements around, fine in theory, but ... forget about all these graphs because none of these is considering human ear sensitivity. That's why you should better trust your ears than a response graph or theoretical measurements. These are good for orientation, but not for final judgement imo.
Whatever you take, once you applied correction with Reference and your ears adapted, you can't go wrong with either of them.
By the way, the Sonarworks guys have done some reviews of the 990 Pro and 770 250 edition, I'm not 100% sure whether their results are assignable to the older versions.
https://www.sonarworks.com/blog/reviews/beyerdynamic-dt990-pro-studio-headphone-review/#rating
https://www.sonarworks.com/blog/reviews/beyerdynamic-dt770-250-review/#rating

 

Sure. But human ear sensitivity doesn't change when you change headphones, so it's a valid reference for comparing different headphones. Response graph or theoretical measurements don't lie, as long as they are done properly in a controlled, repeatable environment. Measurements aren't theoretical, they are as practical as it gets - they are literally putting sound through your headphones and checking what comes out of them. Your opinion can be theoretical, but good measurements cannot. Measurements are infinitely more trustworthy than reviews or opinions on how "detailed" or "focused" headphones sound.

True, you can't go wrong with either with no correction as well, you just gotta take your time learning their quirks well.