Bad Persons who sell R2R work on ebay

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  1. Citrik Acid

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    All in the title, but why this is not controlled by ebay, more I report more bitchies sell cracked software, especially R2R works, when you see Studio One 4 Pro for 35 euro just wtf...

     
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    So if you sell pirated software to MAKE money, or download pirated software to SAVE money, do you realise there's very little difference here? It's both piracy. And both are punishable by law, obviously.
     
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  4. Gyro Gearloose

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    oh my god before the law maybe but i dont explain the difference...:deep_facepalm:
     
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    You're joking right? That's not even close to being the same thing.
     
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    Depends on the country. US/UK/France for example have very strict laws, where ISP`s can block/terminate your contract and even hand your data to 3rd parties that will sue you.
    In some EU countries download of software or media is not punishable as long as you dont sell it, nor can ISPs give out your information to 3rd parties.
     
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    Hmm, a difficult topic to value righteous.
    If you have 100 Euro and download a software that costs 100 Euro illegally or you have 0 Euro and download the 100 Euro software illegally and dont use it but just sell it for 100 Euro, its the same in the end. You have 100 Euro that you should not have if you would have act morally and juridically correct.

    Same with the uploaders at sisters site...the dont sell cracked software directly, but nevertheless they earn money with the sharehosters affiliate payments. So where exactly is the difference between them and someone who sells pirated software at ebay?
    Of cause I dont support both variants...but to have a different point of view is nothing but double moral.
     
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    "You're joking right? That's not even close to being the same thing."

    It sure as f#ck isn't to R2R!!
     
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    You totally misunderstood the OPs point. If you didn't... that's even worse :rofl:
     
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    It's not piracy.
    It's alternative solution.
     
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    If it bothers You my tip write direct with the software developers
    1. They will do their work
    2. They got other connections
    3. Maybe they will offer you special prices on their Products
    4 Even if you wrong you are only bad with the developer (In my Country there is a law against wrong accusations which can backfire)

    Only bad thing about this could be (unlikely IMHO ) that it backfires at the warez community which should be considered

    My opinion to this is I'm cool with guy who uses warez (specially in cases of Abandonware (for example LinPlug and Cakewalk Z3TA+ 2)or crude and pointless one PC installation politics) But I hate guy who want to make money with it.

    By the way I buy the stuff I like
     
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    Just another example...Imagine:
    There are two brothers. Together they make a robbery and steal 2 rolex watches from a jewelery shop..the first brother uses the Rolex for himself. The other brother sells it on Ebay. Which of them is the more criminal one?
     
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    Dude selling cracked software is nowhere close to the same as downloading the software to try it before you potentially buy it. That 100 euro nonsense you just wrote is irrelevant. You must be high on something if you think that's the same. I'll admit I feel bad for the developers because piracy isn't the most righteous thing to be a part of but selling and using are not even close to being the same.
     
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    I download pirated software to try before I buy, more than that , to make music, yes big differencies here, and at the end what I'm saying, it's why ebay don't do a lot against this practice, they make money too no ?!
     
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    I could not agree more, for me the problem is here, when money is made, "And middle finger to the people who make money with our effort." That say exactly what it's means
     
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    Potentially buy it! What do you think how big is the number of people who download cracked software to try and then buy it? 1%? Dont ne naive! Downloading and using illegally is as same as illegal as steeling and selling. Thats also the reason why in most countries the law values it the same.

    The whole discussion is the biggest case of double moral, that you can imagine! I'm downloading a lot...never bought anything...and I also dont know anyone who bought Software if the cracked version also works perfect. Of cause I talk about the private use and not commercial use of it. If you use cracked software in your business you're an idiot.
     
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    In my Contry the second one, because there is a law for heavy stealing

    which needs commercially stealing as a cause for it

    Source : https://www.finanzfrage.net/g/frage/verkauf-von-diebesgut-hehlerei
     
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    Big difference. In one case your wallet size gets bigger and you risk jail time. In the other your hard drive gets filled up with 10,000 vst compressors you will never use.
     
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    "Allerdings kann das Verkaufen des Diebesgut strafschärfend ins Gewicht fallen - das macht aus dem Diebstahl noch keine "größere" oder andere Straftat, erhöht aber am Ende das Strafmaß - natürlich nur in den Grenzen des vom Gesetz festgelegten Strafrahmens. Dieser beträgt beim Diebstahl nach § 242 StGB bis zu 5 Jahre."

    Ist aber am Ende derselbe Straftatbestand! Also sind beide das selbe, nämlich Diebe bzw. Räuber wenn sie den Diebstahl mit Waffengewalt begangen haben.
     
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    Buy before you buy... again, once you realize you've being f*cked :rofl:
    Good one lol
     
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    It's the same amount of money pirated but morally I see a big difference if it's a poor guy who try a software he can't afford for making music,or if it's a guy who downloads software just for making profit by selling it on Ebay as a legit software.
     
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