Voted "no" on separation if for no other reason than that I already believe they are separated. You may have a lot of the same members on both sites, but regardless of what you would have in mind to "separate" the two ( I don't even really understand what the concept behind that would be), mutual membership would probably remain the same anyway. Because of that there would always be a similarity between the two.

Having read most of the posts, I think the reality is that this thread is actually about a few different subjects. There's the group of people that just want it to be 'the way things were when Catalyst was here'. Then there's those that are rightfully upset over some questionable threads that have been started and some unnecessarily angry posts. Then there are those that want to strictly define the subject matter that's allowed here, and on...

The thing of it when Cat was running AS (because I have a gut feeling there's a difference between that and when he's actually here nowadays), is that in a lot of ways it was kind of like this private club where if you were part of Cat's in-group it was likely to be a positive experience, and if you weren't, you were made to feel about as unwelcome as possible. Because I didn't get along with Catalyst well at all, I stopped coming by here since it felt like his personal playground for him and his buddies. To expect things to go back to that, or to sit around asking for that, is probably an unrealistic point of view given all that's gone on. That was then, this is now and its best to accept that. Months later, dwelling on 'what was' is just a waste of time.

At least some of the recent, pointless and angry threads, as well as several abusive posts that have popped up, are likely the work of a few new people coming here simply to stir up the pot over Cat. That seems to be going on ever since that happened with him --- clearly there are some that feel it was Cat's place and SAiNT and anyone else here has some nerve having it go on without him. If, like me, you believe that's part of what's been going on, and think about it a bit, you'll realize that's why there'll never be any going back to how it was before. It's SAiNT's place, not Cat's, and if you want to be angry and divisive over that fact, you probably aren't going to be staying here for that long anyway. Things change, how long before you accept it? When everything happened with Cat awhile ago, the posts here by some people were very noticeably more angry than they were over on Z. That tells you much about how some people felt here, but it also says a lot about why that couldn't continue, and why there's probably no going back.

The subject matter issue is also kind of interesting. It was always my understanding that you weren't allowed to post warez downloads here, but that's different from discussing downloads that are available on the scene. I understand why posts with download links should not be allowed here, but discussing different warez downloads that are available -- why should that really be a problem? No one's forcing anyone to join in on those conversations, and if that sort of thing is not for you, than you can always choose not to participate in a particular thread. I completely agree that threads that are nothing more than warez requests, or posts like that within a thread, should be deleted. I doubt the mods have any disagreement with that. If there's a lag in them acting on it, maybe its because its the holiday season and people are just busy. They'll get to it, people just need some patience with the "new" crew. Clearly abusive posts should probably just lead to stopping posting privileges for a period of time-- that would give people a chance to chill out and stop the nonsense. None of these ideas related to "subject matter' though, have any relationship to splitting up AZ and AS -- that entire concept seems kind of irrelevant to me.

 

ok, new ideas! there is a troll right now fulling the chat window with porn links and shit: @Specialone .

THERE MUST BE A "REPORT/EMERGENCY/ALERT/911" POST ' S CATEGORY TO REPORT TROLLS

 

Not only the chat window, he's going wild with new threads. What a scumbag

 

can moderators follow I.P. adresses?

edit: the opportunity is right now, he's online

 

I'm sure they have logs. Are there any mods around?

 

IMHO you cannot separate it completely. That said I voted for yes because I agree with @ned944 on many points.

Many of us joined the X because of Z; many 'still' here because of Z. I am not so old but this forum has given me much despite one more 'pro' forum which I visit more regularly. The charm of this forum is the open discussions about anything; from technical to compositional, and from legal to warez. May be I don't know much about other forums but I haven't seen 'that' open discussions anywhere else.

Due to the above reason the forum is flooded by everyone and from every corner. I don't know about the old politics in here but the sensitivity of the nature of this forum which is stated above (as per my understanding) requires strict moderation. As far as I have searched and seen here, Z related issues have always been the part of the forum in the past and were dealt normally without insults, accusations, name calling etc. It's just that recently things started getting out of control all of a sudden. I have no grudge against anybody wether new or old but unlocking ilok has also unlocked the beast in us. Disgusting childish immature attitudes not understanding the matter in hands or understanding with a tunnel vision and then 'that' internal itch to respond to every thread in obnoxious manners have become the hallmark now. An example is I have seen a thread of an old respectable member @Alpha0ne who had no ill intention, was taken to the next level of absurdity despite him being humble and apologetic and clearing up the doubts. Everyone seems to be policing and hunting if someone found guilty of 'requesting' or 'expressing' his desire according to his deluded perception (unless evident) and then let's start mocking to show our loyalty. Why can't we just ignore those people you think are requesting and move on or simply report to the mods and they will take action instead of hunting down in herds? On record, I have never asked anything, firstly I have everything for my production and mostly I use legal stuff including ilok but am also not against ilok crack etc.

Because of all this I messaged SAiNT for paying attention to the current stuff going on and he said @Olymoon is ill and rest of the mods are trying to take necessary actions. Hope Olymoon gets well soon. At the same time I have read somewhere that mods are not having much power because of some previous issues for which my suggestion is to empower them as in the end you will have to as SAiNT cannot manage everything alone despite him being very enthusiastic and passionate. Remove all those unnecessary 'agree' 'winner' dumb' etc and just leave 'like' and 'dislike' which will create more harmony in long term.

So to sum up, let the spirit of this forum remain same with strict moderation and it will flourish again. Thank you @ned944 for creating this topic.

 

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Have no fear, SAiNT is here.

 

I understand your being upset over it, but there is a report button, it is Christmas, and maybe the better tact is to do your best to ignore it and wait for the mods to do their job. I think you just have to accept right now that there are some that want to be bitter over the issues with Cat, and they're determined to make a mess out of the place. Giving them unending attention probably won't help. The mods will take care of it, but very few sites like this have constant, minute-by-minute moderation.

 

How do you know it relates to Catalyst?

 

Just a gut feeling that certainly some of it does. I see several people here on AS that have mentioned thinking the same or similar thing. There's a small group of people that, over time, have shown themselves to be particularly angry on that score. Several made threats about undoing the site back when all that stuff was going on. They'll eventually peter out, but the more attention paid to them, the harder it is to get rid of them.

 

Very true

 

@eddielee 's idea is brilliant. Although i'm not sure how willing SAiNT is to create a seperate forum for audioz at this moment.
But i'm all for keeping Audiosex out of warez or requests. It could become a great forum for poor artists and learners..

 

As someone else pointed out earlier in this thread I voted yes because I agree with the OP but I don't think creating a separation would help that much. All the sites are Saint creations and they are unique in their own ways so it make sense there are links to each other. I just don't get why people cannot understand where to post and how to behave properly in a community they've just entered. It bugs me out.

 

hello, all caring membership presences ,

just the fastest possible typing in of couple of points...

pray do keep the professional audio forum feed on audioz

pray do make new warez related threads on audioz

pray do ban warez talk on professional audio forum

(pray do) wish all the best for all of us...

 

I don't think AS needs to be separated from warez threads, I mean that's the reason why I like AS and the reason that make it different from any other audio forum. What I know is AS really needs more moderation (...or moderators?), and probably the 6 posts approval thing is a good idea.

 

Both forums have got like America, too much freedom has created a zone of anarchy and little protection from trouble-makers. Warez chat must be disallowed at both forums. Simple as that.

 

@rico888, this has absolutely nothing to do with Catalyst period end of story. This is about stopping the immature and childish behavior that has overtaken this forum as of late. If you have take the time to read this thread you would know that and there is nowhere to in it to substantiate you repeated mentioning of that fact, so please do no not come into this discussion trying to "stir the pot" with memories of Catalyst. You entire comment above is filled with incorrect facts to subvert this discussion so lets break it down.

1. You Said;

@rico888

This is wrong and is stated here : To which i liked;

and here i corrected @Herr Durr when he brought that up as well;

2. You Said;

And i clearly define that is not what this place is about numerous times in this thread as you can read below;

The reason you want to make this about Catalyst is beyond me, but it clearly shows, you can't let go of the past and move forward. I will not argue with you over this because that is not what this post is about. I'm simply trying to have an open and honest discussion with the community in a sensible and mature way to bring the current problem to the forefront to discuss a solution to get things into a better position for the betterment of the community. While i would appreciate your thoughts on how to do that, I would appreciate it if you would not highjack my thread to start spewing hate towards an incident that took place months ago. that is not why i started this thread, that is clearly not what the content of this discussion is about, and if you can not see that I would appreciate it if you didn't post any more comments.

@lpu2n I know, i was on line last night when that was going on, its stuff like that , the makes the forum a displeasure to visit, for veteran and noob alike.

I eluded to this as well, Because of the recent political fallout, I speculated that some of the MODS may be a bit apprehensive to enforce the rules or overstep their bounds so as not to seem overly aggressive to SAiNT, or maybe SAiNT has limited their powers. I personally don't know. That is why I invited SAiNT into the conversation, I also PM'd him and asked him to join. but remember they also have lives, and cannot be online 24/7, and the lawlessness that has become the norm is alot harder to control now. hence why I was suggesting a split. Even if temporary to remove it from the eyes of AZ, and the temptation it presents to those seeking to cause trouble coming from AZ.

this doesn't have to be eliminated from AudioZ, thats where it belongs, but it should be from AudioSEX, because that is not what AudioSEX is about at its Core.

Just a quick observation, @rico888 of the 58 posts you have made since you came back on line. only 1 was positive about someones music. the other 57, have been in controversial threads about negative events or topics. this thread is not about that so once again please do not post any comments trying to re-direct this conversation to events that transpired in the past. this has nothing to do with past evens, this has to do with current situations and solving a current situation that will make OUR forum, The forum that WE particpate in more enjoyable and available to those that want to grow and learn, share and give, and be a community of artists and producers, and not be confronted daily by childish acts, immature children, and haters trying to spoil something we enjoy.

 

It's a forum. Just learn to ignore the stuff from posters if it annoys you.

Be careful what you wish for. An over policed forum would kill this site.

If that's what you want, then go join KVR.

 

Not asking for an over policed forum, just want the warez issue solved or brought under control. I like the openness of the forum that's why I'm here fighting to reclaim it from the garbage that pervades it now. have been a long time contributor and member. Tired of seeing the crap dominate this place day in day out.

 

who are you to decide what this forums core is? this forum for me at least is all about warez?

this flood of annoyed people are are clogging the forums. It's actually more annoying then the trolls them-selfs
please leave it here so we can move on. and I don't actually have to dug up topics about MUSIC